To all the LGTBQ players

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Originally Posted by Fatch38

again one of those topic.... you know even if you try to do something positive, it's not better than the opposite thread : both of them doesn't belong here

like i said in another topic, no offence but we don't care about your gender or sexuality (you do whatever you want i'm cool with it), what is bothering is when a community ask for more depiction in a game for the sake of political correctness (instead of just doing a good character in the first place, and like IRL we shouldn't care about its sexuality)

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We shouldn't care about charactervs sexuality and romantic interests? Why not? And why does it only political when it represent LGBT sexuality and it's not political when it's a heterosexual relationship? There are political groups about enforcing traditional values, why isn't depictons of heterosexual romance not deligitimized then?

Feels like a double standard here. Straight people have "ideas" but LGBT people have an "agenda".

Again it's not about making every single character LGBT. We understand we're a minority. It would't make sense to suddenly have all characters be some form of LGBT people. (Especially considering writters often use this as a crutch, an easy bake recipy for vapid character writing.)

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Originally Posted by magtuired

It always makes me laugh when people think that Japan has absolutely no LGBT people and that these discussions aren't taking place in Japanese language FFXIV spaces. -and korean and chinese ones for that matter!

Anyway I come from a conservative small town so I have a pretty thick skin and when people ask me why I have "bisexual" in my search info, I just reply I know who I am and I refuse to associate with someone who is going to derail a raid because I mentioned my boyfriend bought me a glam in casual convo (which has happened). People who claim to not want LGBT issues brought up so frequently sure love making conversations about it lol.

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Well said. I do find it strange how somtimes people make it sound as if LGBTQ+ people only exist in the west...

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As for favourite moments. The fight Thancred had to protect Ryne from Ran'jit brought me to tears and I think is meaningful for anyone who has struggled in becoming a good Father figure to someone.

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I agree. Honestly, Thancred was one of my least favorite characters in the game for a long while, but that changed with Shadowbringers. He was given such a great arc in that story.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

We shouldn't care about charactervs sexuality and romantic interests? Why not?

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Not to speak for Fatch, but, imo, if we're supposed to be aiming for a world without prejudice, then it really shouldn't matter if the person in question loves the same gender, opposite gender, no gender, all genders, a specific type of identity, furries, Nintendo DS games, or their baking sheet. Ideally, in my opinion, we should be looking at a person for their overall character.

Otherwise, when it comes to a story, when we only care about a character for what they represent and not the character themselves, then the character is generally nothing but a one-dimensional shitpost/meme/joke waiting to happen. Fatch isn't saying to completely ignore the issue of sexuality, just not to make that the point of the character in the first place.

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And why does it only political when it represent LGBT sexuality and it's not political when it's a heterosexual relationship? There are political groups about enforcing traditional values, why isn't depictons of heterosexual romance not deligitimized then?

Feels like a double standard here. Straight people have "ideas" but LGBT people have an "agenda".

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Speaking as someone who is openly homosexual (because, from my experience, that's going to matter to a lot of people here, in a moment), political correctness for the sake of political correctness is a problem because it forces hypocrisy and insincerity for the sake of forcing disingenuous "acceptance" in the name of fairness. If you want acceptance, it must be earned, much like respect and trust are things you foster.

Frankly, this take on Fatch's statement is liable to do more harm than good. From the outside looking in, to me, it looks like you took their statement the wrong way and started attacking heterosexuality just because they said they don't want the focus of characterizations to be on sexuality and you took that to mean they have something against LGBT. Frankly, this kind of reaction makes it look like we do have an agenda.

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(Especially considering writters often use this as a crutch, an easy bake recipy for vapid character writing.)

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This is what Fatch is wanting to avoid. You're on paralel paths to the same conclusion, so try to converge and make a connection.

Can people just play a videogame, be friends and leave this thread to twitter's outraged mob please? For all I care, dress a bottle of milk into your granpa's shorts and call it Daddy, like really, I don't care. But don't we all have enough of this in daily media, just play the game people. Gonna speak for myself here, but I bet there's a lot of people out there who just wanna enjoy the game - or are we not? This thread doesn't belong here!

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Originally Posted by HuaTuo

Can people just play a videogame, be friends and leave this thread to twitter's outraged mob please? For all I care, dress a bottle of milk into your granpa's shorts and call it Daddy, like really, I don't care. But don't we all have enough of this in daily media, just play the game people. Gonna speak for myself here, but I bet there's a lot of people out there who just wanna enjoy the game - or are we not? This thread doesn't belong here!

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This thread is in the general discussion forum, which anything can go into because it's general discussion, so it belongs here. If you do not wish to see it again in the future, my suggestion is to not bump the thread keeping it on the front page. Also, there's always the option of ignoring the thread, it's not like it's hurting anybody.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This thread is in the general discussion forum, which anything can go into because it's general discussion, so it belongs here. If you do not wish to see it again in the future, my suggestion is to not bump the thread keeping it on the front page. Also, there's always the option of ignoring the thread, it's not like it's hurting anybody.

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I will do as you have suggested, kind sir. Alas, the very existence of this thread is an insult to us who wish to navigate this strange world with a modicum of common sense. Ignore it is then. I wish you all smooth sailing!

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Originally Posted by HuaTuo

Can people just play a videogame, be friends and leave this thread to twitter's outraged mob please? For all I care, dress a bottle of milk into your granpa's shorts and call it Daddy, like really, I don't care. But don't we all have enough of this in daily media, just play the game people. Gonna speak for myself here, but I bet there's a lot of people out there who just wanna enjoy the game - or are we not? This thread doesn't belong here!

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And neither does your post. If we go after your logic.

Maybe take that into account when you try to navigate this strange world, you navigate your ship like the captain of the costa concordia.

"Anti-sjw's" are just as annoying as "progressives" honestly. Both are preachy, just in different ways.

On topic: I can't recall a lot of moments I thought were funny. Maybe when I found out Urianger can't swim.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Which is odd when it comes to this thread, as it's just sharing moments people loved/enjoyed in FFXIV (which, again, was to counter a few now deleted threads that were very blatant). No "more representation" or anything within the OP, so no idea why certain individuals (some with less than 20 posts) are getting their feathers so ruffled and claiming that's what is happening.

I mean I technically do know why...

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This is what I was thinking, too.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

Well said. I do find it strange how somtimes people make it sound as if LGBTQ+ people only exist in the west...



I agree. Honestly, Thancred was one of my least favorite characters in the game for a long while, but that changed with Shadowbringers. He was given such a great arc in that story.

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It's this fallacy that minority identities are the product of the western world and not a product of the human experience since we began developing cultures. My ethnic background has a historical third gender and there are many places in asia where homosexual people had distinct roles in society. And surprise! Japan was one of these places; Masamune Date has extensively recorded love letters to another man and homosexual love was commonplace between samurai.

So I would say yes, homosexual and transgender characters have a place in Japanese media same as heterosexual characters and both conservative and liberal politics.

I always had a soft spot for Thancred but his relationship with Ryne moved me in a way that felt personal. Don't get a lot of narratives about fatherhood that show the parent being flawed without being an irredeamable bastard. Speaks to the nuances of a parent-child relationship and felt like Final Fantasy had grown up with me.

As a gay guy myself, I just want to play and enjoy the game in peace. A lot of us who are LGBT do.

Unfortunately, people use LGBT issues to troll others with the intention of painting LGBT people in a bad light.

The grand majority of threads that propose ideas like LGBT representation in the game are trolls. They know people get riled up and it brings out the worst in them. That's when you start getting sweeping generalizations of LGBT individuals, and people who might've been neutral about it start leaning towards negativity.

This is an online forum, so it's not the biggest issue in the world. But I'd be lying if I said it didn't feel slightly discouraging.