The 3-Strikes Policy - Is it really a good thing?

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Edit: another note is that the swearing/profanity clause needs to be removed from the rules outright; as a lot of strikes come from swearing, when some of the NPCs are more foul mouthed than the average player. The filter is kinda worthless and doesn't even work for NPC or spoken dialogue, only player interactions.

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This. Why's an NPC get to call me a Hyuran bee-ahtch, but I can't call someone or something dumb. :NotLikeThis:

Or at the very least, clarification on what they consider "profanity" in a game that's rated "teen" with "language" listed as one of the items that makes it so. Because it's obvious some is acceptable. And heck, what my grandmother's generation considered profane and what my generation consider profane don't match up.

So you can get suspended for swearing

There's no reason you should get in trouble for anything unless it's cheating or harassment especially if you're putting monthly money into it

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Or at the very least, clarification on what they consider "profanity" in a game that's rated "teen" with "language" listed as one of the items that makes it so. Because it's obvious some is acceptable. And heck, what my grandmother's generation considered profane and what my generation consider profane don't match up.

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But it's not only your generation that plays the game, is it? The rules need to encompass everyone, young and old, with or without mental health issues. You can attempt that if you like with detailed rules and let me know when (a) you give up, or (b) you spend all your time revising and revising the rules because you didn't include everyone.

And of course everything is context. If an NPC calls me a Hyuran whatever, I am in my character's head at the point. It may sting a little but not as much as a player in my group calling me names because I failed an easy mechanic. As I said in my earlier post, treat people with dignity and kindness. There are different cultures and people being shocked that other cultures consider things offensive means they need to adapt to more relaxed and kind way of thinking and acting and consider what they are doing. That's the reason the rules are so broad, to cover everyone.

It's just weird that they wouldn't block profanity altogether if they didn't like it that much.
why make it something you can do if you don't want people doing it

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Originally Posted by BlissNCarnage

It's just weird that they wouldn't block profanity altogether if they didn't like it that much.
why make it something you can do if you don't want people doing it

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There is no way to completely block profanity. People have always worked around profanity filters and keeping profanity filters up-to-date is a full time job. Again remember that people want content not profanity filters with dubious results.

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Originally Posted by BlissNCarnage

It's just weird that they wouldn't block profanity altogether if they didn't like it that much.
why make it something you can do if you don't want people doing it

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Filters never stopped anyone really, plus you never really needed to use profanities if you truly wanted to attack someone, which is why you cant simply ban only words and need to be flexible based on the situation.

What SE seems to actually want to fix is how normalized and accepted slurs, insults, attacks, hateful speech is for many western gamers whenever they mean it or use slurs as a "joke/banter/etc", you see that in almost all other popular online games yet not in FF14, and simply because of that I think SE arent wrong to actually care about the quality of the community and ingame chats and thus take draconian measures.

Because that kind of behavior is accepted and normalized in most other games it doesnt mean it should be tolerated and let spread, the fact that they take action and try to fix that kind of behavior is a huge positive in my eyes because I dont think i ve seen a game company of a relatively popular online game ever try to tackle this issue outside of meaningless and fake platitudes.

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Originally Posted by Ralph2449

Filters never stopped anyone really, plus you never really needed to use profanities if you truly wanted to attack someone, which is why you cant simply ban only words and need to be flexible based on the situation.

What SE seems to actually want to fix is how normalized and accepted slurs, insults, attacks, hateful speech is for many western gamers whenever they mean it or use slurs as a "joke/banter/etc", you see that in almost all other popular online games yet not in FF14, and simply because of that I think SE arent wrong to actually care about the quality of the community and ingame chats and thus take draconian measures.

Because that kind of behavior is accepted and normalized in most other games it doesnt mean it should be tolerated and let spread, the fact that they take action and try to fix that kind of behavior is a huge positive in my eyes because I dont think i ve seen a game company of a relatively popular online game ever try to tackle this issue outside of meaningless and fake platitudes.

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Just love the way you put it in perspective, in a succinct and yet very clear manner. This normalisation is what SE is trying to avoid and why I think what they do is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by MagicAura

But it's not only your generation that plays the game, is it? The rules need to encompass everyone, young and old, with or without mental health issues. You can attempt that if you like with detailed rules and let me know when (a) you give up, or (b) you spend all your time revising and revising the rules because you didn't include everyone.

And of course everything is context. If an NPC calls me a Hyuran whatever, I am in my character's head at the point. It may sting a little but not as much as a player in my group calling me names because I failed an easy mechanic. As I said in my earlier post, treat people with dignity and kindness. There are different cultures and people being shocked that other cultures consider things offensive means they need to adapt to more relaxed and kind way of thinking and acting and consider what they are doing. That's the reason the rules are so broad, to cover everyone.

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That's my point and I am aware people play young and old, one of the people in my circle is a woman of her 70's...that said she's not one to be offended what comes out of me.

What I consider offensive is different to the next person. Hence I think some clarification or clearer information on what they act on could be helpful.

There are of course things that are obvious and take common sense, like, don't go around throwing racial slurs.

But I think there are things that aren't obvious. And there are things that are clearly acceptable in the game's script, so is it profanity that's banned outright? Or is it profane in the context of what is acceptable in a "Teen: language" game?