Raiding is becoming less and less optional

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

You assuming I would think CT would be difficult is misplacing my disinterest for the content. I did 18+ man end-game content for years in FFXI and raided in WoW for a few months. Due to the constant grid of that content, I ended up burning out and decided to not participate in anything greater than 8 man content when I joined FF14

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That's not what they are asking though. The devs want you to do one serie of quests one time, not raid weekly, nor participate in something that would need you to gear up through that kind of means. Even when they are current content, 24man raids are never requesting high iLvl that would need you to grind gear. There are no real harder mechanics than a normal dungeon or 8man raid, the difficulty lies in 24 people being involved, otherwise it's the same "don't walk in danzer zone", "spread markers" and/or "stack markers" in different coats of paint.

I don't see any "corporate" gain either, doing the CT quests once won't keep you subscribed more than you currently are. It's a matter of a few hours, ONCE per character.

It would never happen but imagine if they also introduced appropriate ilvl scaling to the raids when they're made mandatory. Oh the delicious tears that could be had.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

That would be you. Though, basing on your join date on the forums, you should have seen the many complaint threads about Eureka when it was relevant. I am very sure that if this scenario became true (which it would never, thank goodness), you would see the same amount of threads complaining about now Eureka being a requirement.

What is ironic is that there will be an expectation from people who enjoyed the content, like me, to be empathetic towards those who don't like Eureka. "Understand where we are coming from," they would say (which they said in those past threads towards anyway who stated they enjoyed Eureka). Yet, there is no level of empathy towards those who have had no interest in doing CT from those who at least are neutral towards CT.

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Yes, that would be me. I was replying to you telling me(the reader) how i would feel. I absolutely remember the complaints about Eureka. And if your scenario were to play out(which we both agree is extremely unlikely) i would be on the forums telling those people to suck it up. I would also probly be able to tell them how long it takes to do now that the nerfs are in place, since i would have done it by now. Im not without any empathy for someone being forced to do content they dont enjoy(ive done way more PvP then i care for to get a few of the easier rewards that i had to have and a absolutely dread the next time i force myself into it for the next little trinket that catches my eye), im just viewing this particular instance as overblown. The CT raids are 15 mins, 12 mins, and about 25 mins with maybe an hour of general questing and cutscenes. Ive seen some people(not saying you) acting like the world was ending over less then 2 hours of content they need to do once then never touch again.

The worst thing about the 50 level 24 man raids is still unlocking LOTA. Thank goodness they did about with the fate waiting but it still takes more time than it should. The raids themselves are face roll at this point. I don't see them being anymore of an issue than requiring some trials for Main Story as a part of clearing story.

The 70 level raids are for the new relic and that is certainly an optional thing which many don't do regardless of the requirement to do them now. They are actually pretty cool raids and have a pretty neat story attached to them.

I'm excited about the new relic given it seems to have a significant story attached to it. i'm pretty much done with the introductory weapon other than my main which still have 6 roles to level of which 2 are almost 80.

I feel weird because I love raids and casual raids but I'm not looking forward to this change either. It means seeing them forever and repeatedly in alliance roulette in exchange for a few minutes of story. The first two in the series are seriously worn out, boring and unengaging. It's probably going to make me stop queueing for alliance roulette entirely.

I feel like this thread will be necro’d in a few years when raiding has become mandatory as part of the MSQ. And I don’t mean some old raid, but a current raid.

So, for those of you reading in this future, I told you so.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I feel like this thread will be necro’d in a few years when raiding has become mandatory as part of the MSQ. And I don’t mean some old raid, but a current raid.

So, for those of you reading in this future, I told you so.

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Which wouldn't be so bad if MSQ goes on steming on raid storylines. And once again, you don't need gear, farming or anything to do a quest serie once. You're free to not do them again after that.

I don't really get what the point of the post is? The game is built to be played online, so even if someone wanted to preserve the game after it gets shut down in the far future it's not going to be something that people can just solo through. At least not without boosting their stats to god tier levels and doing all the content unsync. There is always the complaint that the people running around in genre bending outfits and clown suits ruin the immersion (and yes, this happened in Shadowbringers when we had the "Viera Wii Fit Trainer" get stuck in the QTE event with everyone else wearing their serious business suits, but that's a bit of a different subject than simply saying they should never require 24 people to gather in order to do story mode content.

If anything, I think constantly nerfing things in normal modes is the worst strategy MMO companies have come up with forever. Yes, Cataclysm in WoW was too much, but there should be at least something in the game that challenges people or there is no point in calling it a game.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I feel like this thread will be necro’d in a few years when raiding has become mandatory as part of the MSQ. And I don’t mean some old raid, but a current raid.

So, for those of you reading in this future, I told you so.

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The only raiding that's actually "raiding" is savage raiding, and that will never be mandatory because outside Binding Coil of Bahamut, savage difficulty raids have no plot. Only normal raids do, and normal raids are basically slightly more complex trials in terms of difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

Your reply shows why you don't see this as a problem, one that'll drive away a LOT of players who don't raid when they can't play the MSW without enduring 24-man raids as 5.3 will force them to do .. likely SE simply wants to see more MSW boosts to those of us who don't raid, hate raiding and will cease playing if there's no way round it.

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Labyrinth of The Ancients and the rest of them are faceroll content that barely take more than fifteen minutes. They are by no definition raiding, so please stop overselling casual content. And I'm sorry, but if you think that 24-man raids are 'Raiding' of any proper sort, you are simply incorrect. You can quite literally nap through them, even current ones. Not a soul will be driven away, and if you are - that's just laughable.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I feel like this thread will be necro’d in a few years when raiding has become mandatory as part of the MSQ. And I don’t mean some old raid, but a current raid.

So, for those of you reading in this future, I told you so.

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I don't know how to explain this to you in simpler words. You are wrong if you think this is an issue. They are tying in a trio of 24 man instances that were faceroll when they came out, and that's it. They are not asking you to sit down and do savage prog every week.

Unrelated, I'm amazed this thread hasn't migrated over to a certain subreddit...