More Options for Character Growth

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

To every FFXI hardcore fan out there like Elexia, every MMO besides XI has failed. This includes WOW and it's 10M players that make Blizzard laugh at the competition while they roll themselves in cash and build themselves coin pools to dive in a la uncle scrooge. But don't let numbers and popularity fool you, they mean nothing apparently.

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I hope they don't try diving into a pool of gold. That stuff's not liquid and will kill them if they try to dive in Q_Q

On topic. Yes, Guild Wars wasn't exactly a typical open MMO but it was still considered one. (though I always though of it as an online RPG)
The fact of the matter though. It had a ridiculous amount of skills, was online and didn't fail.
Plus it was the best example of a ridiculous amount of combat customisation in a game that didn't fail that I could think of.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

So because a game is not a TYPICAL mmo then it fails? Got it. Is that why they are doing a 2nd one and that already a million people signed up for the beta? How many people signed up to XIV beta which is the sequel to the super successful FFXI? right...

http://www.vg247.com/2012/02/25/one-...d-wars-2-beta/

Btw, you and Jennestia would get along very well.

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We do, I'm in her LS in XIV lol, known her since her noob days on Kujata. It failed as an MMO but not as an online game. So being marketed as an MMO was very misleading, hence why it would be seen as a failure in the light of MMORPGs, but it wasn't a bad game at all, you just can't really put it in the "MMORPG" genre back when it was released, now there's so many sub genres to the MMORPG world it doesn't even matter the classification.

I always enjoy customization. But to be honest, there will always be the "best" set of gear, or choice of skills. And there will be elitists that only see that. They're not wrong, it's how they play. I don't like it, but I can understand it.

And WoW was really a terrible example. Before I quit playing last year they had streamlined new player areas, chopped up the talent tree, and removed skills that weren't used in the 'end game'. It's really bland and only getting worse.

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Originally Posted by Zelkelion

And WoW was really a terrible example. Before I quit playing last year they had streamlined new player areas, chopped up the talent tree, and removed skills that weren't used in the 'end game'. It's really bland and only getting worse.

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Yep. This is why I say just let them do their thing with the job system. We've only seen one part of it and stlll don't even have the Job+Job combinations yet. Anyone that played any of the job based FF games would know there's a lot of potential to be had and why a talent tree really won't do much for a game like this.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yep. This is why I say just let them do their thing with the job system. We've only seen one part of it and stlll don't even have the Job+Job combinations yet. Anyone that played any of the job based FF games would know there's a lot of potential to be had and why a talent tree really won't do much for a game like this.

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Oh, completely agree with this btw. Not a fan of the talent tree however.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

We do, I'm in her LS in XIV lol, known her since her noob days on Kujata. It failed as an MMO but not as an online game. So being marketed as an MMO was very misleading, hence why it would be seen as a failure in the light of MMORPGs, but it wasn't a bad game at all, you just can't really put it in the "MMORPG" genre back when it was released, now there's so many sub genres to the MMORPG world it doesn't even matter the classification.

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"Massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) is a genre of role-playing video games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual game world."

Didn't know you were given the task of changing and deciding what the definition of a MMO is. Good to know.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

"Massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) is a genre of role-playing video games in which a very large number of players interact with one another within a virtual game world." Didn't know you were given the task of changing and deciding what the definition of a MMO is. Good to know.

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Dear god, it's well accepted that GW wasn't a typical style MMO at the time and couldn't be classified as one. Usually MMORPGs, AT THE TIME (read this) was more about open world settings and everything happening in an overworld type design, GW wasn't exactly like that, hence why GW2 they're making it a typical MMORPG style.

You know what else classifies as an MMO? Cityville and Farmville, which if I recall correctly, you said can't be compared to WoW and FFXIV, so try your definition game elsewhere. :)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Dear god, it's well accepted that GW wasn't a typical style MMO at the time and couldn't be classified as one. Usually MMORPGs, AT THE TIME (read this) was more about open world settings and everything happening in an overworld type design, GW wasn't exactly like that, hence why GW2 they're making it a typical MMORPG style.

You know what else classifies as an MMO? Cityville and Farmville, which if I recall correctly, you said can't be compared to WoW and FFXIV, so try your definition game elsewhere. :)

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We are not talking MMO here, which does include games like farmville and even some FPS. we are talking about MMORPG. Which is what Guild wars and XIV or WOW are. Typical is YOUR definition and not what a MMORPG HAS to be. They are making it open world because fans asked for it not because they wanted to fit Ms. Elexia's personal definition of the genre.

Seriously aren't you ashamed of always being wrong? stop talking.

I have always considered both GW2 and PSO/U/2 to be MORPGs, there isn't much difference really IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I have always considered both GW2 and PSO/U/2 to be MORPGs, there isn't much difference really IMO.

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That's because they all are MMORPGs. :)