Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

I'm a bit struggling to see the reason why this was brought to the forum though?

Like, what happens in a FC is handled by the FC, and if there is a behaviour crossing some lines, you want to report / get GM involved.
But coming here to tell your story is an open door to an "internet trial", which is never a good thing for anyone involved.
(no harm intended in my post, just genuinely intrigued)

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Originally Posted by Ferwyn

We must be watching different films, The Dictator is a film with Sacha Baron Cohen.... a comedy.

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i think you took it to a very very wrong place especially of calling his actions as dictatorship or viewing people as tools.
they broke the law,they broke his trust in them and more precisely not only disrespect him but also bad mouthed him in live stream,even if it wasn't him but rather one of his FC members telling him that the act was clearly just.
if you want an example for a case in democracy imagine the FC leader as a judge and the case is they have bad mouth a FC, the case ended with the judge giving them a warning but if people think the punishment isn't right they ask for a retrial and the result there could be more mellow or harsher then the first verdict.
in this case not only is he the FC leader(a.k.a the judge) but he is also the victim.
so it might seem tyranny for you cause technically he is the leader which in this case he is the judge juror and executioner but he also is the victim,the FC leader with responsibility of making sure his members all follow the rules and having fun(and no one is being insulted or offended) and saw how exactly the offender and their friends acted after the offenders receiving said warning.

it is a simple case of "they broke the rules,they hurt civilians(him and probably other FC members) and the verdict is simple throw them to jail(kick out of FC)"

FYI the dicatator with sacha baron cohen is a comedy but his charecter is still a dictator that has actually treated people as tools and object which cannot be said yakoo who actually even consider his actions(the warning and kicking them afterward) and how it effected the attitude of his FC.

I admit I was so confused; I had thought you guys were talking about The Great Dictator and were confusing SBC for Charlie Chaplin. Showing my age right here.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I'm a bit struggling to see the reason why this was brought to the forum though?

Like, what happens in a FC is handled by the FC, and if there is a behaviour crossing some lines, you want to report / get GM involved.
But coming here to tell your story is an open door to an "internet trial", which is never a good thing for anyone involved.
(no harm intended in my post, just genuinely intrigued)

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i believe he might have had a few reasons to do it:

1.rant and release his steam over that annoying thing that happened.
2.maybe gain a different perspective and see if he might have been wrong or see how other people have treated certain cases.(even after writing that conclusion)
3.serve as a warning to those who act out that way in his guild ,current and future people and might even attract people to join his FC if they saw his actions as just and see a warm and toxic free FC enviorment.

but again its just my theories and the OP can shed some light for us about it ^^.

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Originally Posted by Yakoo

*sigh*

If you want to stand by and call me a Tyrant, just for changing a warning to a kick, then that's very unfair to be honest. If they want to be a mean and sh*tty to other people, then I for sure will never accept that kind of behaviour, not in the FC where a lot of people are actually nice people and don't want people like them around, so I will keep it that way. Don't compare me to a dictator when an expulsion in game is something that is very different to being executed in real life. I shouldn't have to allow clique groups and circles around either, if I don't want my FC turning into a drama hall.

Heres the thing, u are very patient with people who are like that, I on the other hand am not as so patient when it comes to toxicity.

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Actually I’m not patient at all, I am quick to give out warnings. I just believe in change, and I stick to my principles. I don’t go against my rules and words to suit my own agenda. You also can’t be that naive, no matter what FC, guild, canal, etc you are in, there will always be cliques. You can’t stomp that out. Just because you don’t know about them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

You may not like being called a tyrant, but when it comes to games, you are one in my eyes. With this incident, you giving these guys a chance then revoking it without letting it come to fruition, I would have instantly left. I refuse to be in a gaming community where the rules only exist to suit the leader. It would make me feel that we are only there to feed the ego of the leader.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

You're right, I was thinking of The Interview

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Oh that’s the Seth rogan one.... anything with him in it, is instant garbage IMO. Just seeing him in The Boys for split second nearly ruined it for me. Was always afraid it was going to manifest into a legit role.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

I said I was done, but just poking my head in here to chime in about this ridiculousness.

Tyrant? Lacking in principles? Really? Could you possibly be any more hyperbolic? My god, you are just an insulting machine, then when you are called out for your ridiculousness, you shrug and say "it's just my opinion"? Then let me give my opinion:

You are a sniveling enabler and apologist if you genuinely think the leader is in the wrong here. Your understanding of the situation is so warped that you believe that Yakoo should just allow them and their FC to insulted, in public, from within, so long as they give a warning first. You live in a bubble where things are static and never change; grow up and join us in reality where situations and our understanding of those situations and of our friends around us can change. People need to be held accountable for being jackasses, period. Stop enabling them.

*shrug* That's just my opinion, though, and you can't really call me out for having an opinion, according to you.

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I do believe you have misunderstood me, on purpose or not, I do not know. What I am saying is that I believe both parties are in the wrong here. One for bad mouthing openly (including the actions taken after being removed) and then the leader for bending their own rules to suit his/her self. The meaning of tyrant is someone that rules with absolute power, which is exactly what the OP has admitted to doing. If you associate that with a stigma, then that is on you for not understanding the origin and meaning of the word, not me.

Just because I personally wouldn’t kick, that I believe a warning is sufficient in most cases, means I am an enabler? I believe in second chances, I believe people can change, I have seen people change. Do you not believe that?

You are entitled to your opinion though, I done take offence to what you have said. If that is what you think of me, that is fine. I am old enough to know that everyone will never like everyone. I wouldn’t mind discussing that further, if you are interested of course.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

i think you took it to a very very wrong place especially of calling his actions as dictatorship or viewing people as tools.
they broke the law,they broke his trust in them and more precisely not only disrespect him but also bad mouthed him in live stream,even if it wasn't him but rather one of his FC members telling him that the act was clearly just.
if you want an example for a case in democracy imagine the FC leader as a judge and the case is they have bad mouth a FC, the case ended with the judge giving them a warning but if people think the punishment isn't right they ask for a retrial and the result there could be more mellow or harsher then the first verdict.
in this case not only is he the FC leader(a.k.a the judge) but he is also the victim.
so it might seem tyranny for you cause technically he is the leader which in this case he is the judge juror and executioner but he also is the victim,the FC leader with responsibility of making sure his members all follow the rules and having fun(and no one is being insulted or offended) and saw how exactly the offender and their friends acted after the offenders receiving said warning.

it is a simple case of "they broke the rules,they hurt civilians(him and probably other FC members) and the verdict is simple throw them to jail(kick out of FC)"

FYI the dicatator with sacha baron cohen is a comedy but his charecter is still a dictator that has actually treated people as tools and object which cannot be said yakoo who actually even consider his actions(the warning and kicking them afterward) and how it effected the attitude of his FC.

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I would disagree, I get the impression the OP doesn’t actually respect their members enough to see them as people. I formed my opinion based on the fact that the OP went against their word, wielded their power to impose their agenda. Considering the OP has openly said that it’s their way or be kicked, which is where I got the reference for The Dictator. If you didn’t like his rules you were executed. Just replace executed with kicked. That was the comparison I was making, my bad if I didn’t make that clear.

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Originally Posted by Ferwyn

Actually I’m not patient at all, I am quick to give out warnings. I just believe in change, and I stick to my principles. I don’t go against my rules and words to suit my own agenda. You also can’t be that naive, no matter what FC, guild, canal, etc you are in, there will always be cliques. You can’t stomp that out. Just because you don’t know about them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

You may not like being called a tyrant, but when it comes to games, you are one in my eyes. With this incident, you giving these guys a chance then revoking it without letting it come to fruition, I would have instantly left. I refuse to be in a gaming community where the rules only exist to suit the leader. It would make me feel that we are only there to feed the ego of the leader.

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you may like giving warnings and believe in change which yakoo might also believe but don't think that your warning is enough or that your verdicts doesn't have effect on the rest of your FC members who were the victims in said cases.
he hasn't executed anyone ,he sort of banish them/send them to a time out/sent to jail in a way and it wasn't because it was his way or the highway either.
they literally hurt a FC member in a far worse way then simply in an in game chat but actually done it at a live stream with people probably watching also in this case it wasn't any FC member but rather the leader himself and they weren't IRL buddies that could talk it over or that it was sort of their friendly dynamic. he was hurt,he gave them a warning,probably saw it wasn't enough and noticed other FC members probably being bullied/insulted by them and decided to change his verdict to expelled.

if they truly regretted their actions ,i believe yakoo would have allowed them to return to his FC but seeing as not only they didn't but also tried to interfere with the rest of his members is more then clear that expelling them was the right choice for his FC.

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Originally Posted by Ferwyn

I do believe you have misunderstood me, on purpose or not, I do not know. What I am saying is that I believe both parties are in the wrong here. One for bad mouthing openly (including the actions taken after being removed) and then the leader for bending their own rules to suit his/her self. The meaning of tyrant is someone that rules with absolute power, which is exactly what the OP has admitted to doing. If you associate that with a stigma, then that is on you for not understanding the origin and meaning of the word, not me.

Just because I personally wouldn’t kick, that I believe a warning is sufficient in most cases, means I am an enabler? I believe in second chances, I believe people can change, I have seen people change. Do you not believe that?

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You can't be serious. Like, actually, this must be a joke. Any sane person would immediately put a negative connotation to the word "tyrant" instead of its Greek original meaning. Do you really think us this stupid, this gullible to believe, for a second, that you meant "tyrant" in any sort of positive meaning in our modern day? Especially with the comments you left afterwards about Yakoo acting without principles?

And yes. Yes I do believe people can get second chances. If they show the willingness to repent. In this case, the offending parties deleted the evidence of their wrongdoing without being prompted to. To me, that's not want of forgiveness, that's "sorry I got caught". And that STILL doesn't absolve them of punishment. If these assholes are truly were repentant, why not take their warranted punishment on the chin instead of beginning a harassment campaign? And before you ask, no, a warning is not a punishment; it is being told "don't do it again". It's kicking the can down the road, whether or not that is enough to stop any bad behavior.

This is why I call you an enabler, you enabler. You want them to get off scot-free for openly insulting Yakoo and their FC, openly disrespecting them to the public, being openly toxic behind the FC's back. No. The world doesn't work like that. You don't get to talk constant sh*t about your boss, your DM, your friends, whatever, and live without consequence for doing so. Again, and I say this emphatically:

Grow. The f*ck. Up

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

i believe he might have had a few reasons to do it:

1.rant and release his steam over that annoying thing that happened.
2.maybe gain a different perspective and see if he might have been wrong or see how other people have treated certain cases.(even after writing that conclusion)
3.serve as a warning to those who act out that way in his guild ,current and future people and might even attract people to join his FC if they saw his actions as just and see a warm and toxic free FC enviorment.

but again its just my theories and the OP can shed some light for us about it ^^.

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1. Yes, To let everyone know what I've just experience. And to see if someone else went through something similar.
2. Yes, Wanted to see how other people handled it and if it was any different to what I did and treated it different.
3. No, I am not advertising anything at all. I want this to serve as a warning to others who wants to act as like the people I kicked out, to not join any FC's, if they want to cause such disruption with an FC. I am not here to promote anything.

Despite all of this, I've just been compared to a Job vs Hobby and called Tyrant and Dictator. Just for trying to say NO to toxicity....

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Originally Posted by Yakoo

1. Yes, To let everyone know what I've just experience. And to see if someone else went through something similar.
2. Yes, Wanted to see how other people handled it and if it was any different to what I did and treated it different.
3. No, I am not advertising anything at all. I want this to serve as a warning to others who wants to act as like the people I kicked out, to not join any FC's, if they want to cause such disruption with an FC. I am not here to promote anything.

Despite all of this, I've just been compared to a Job vs Hobby and called Tyrant and Dictator. Just for trying to say NO to toxicity....

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so i was sort of right at 3 and it was a warning :)

joking aside,you did ok and although i don't know you or how you run your fc ,it is clear from your action that you keep your FC as friendly as possibly and that you try to be a good leader.

Then I pose a question, as one who always seeks to improve how they manage an FC.

If you found an FC member doing something they shouldn't be doing and gave them a warning. Then later after having time to process, maybe speaking to other members you see that if left to their devices there's a situation that could escalate in a bad way to harm the peace of the FC.

What would you do?

My concern in this situation and I have been in similar ones, is what if I leave them only with a warning and I come back to find all hell has broken loose and there's a bigger and messier situation that's happened when I've not been around to deal with it?

Because the latter has happened to me on more than one occasion where I look back and think "I was too soft or too leniant". By which point its too late, a s***storm has already happened that could have been avoided.