It's working for some people on the forums, and you're conveniently ignoring all of the other players who have echoed what I have: a healer that barely needs to do any healing shouldn't be called a "healer".Quote:
Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki
Like this:
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Originally Posted by Naunet
AST is definitely boring AF to DPS on, but I played SCH all through HW and I pretty much DPSed the entire time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirateski
I'm only now realizing that I should just play a DPS if the game is going to have me DPS 80% of the time anyway.
Why healing is broken and terrible, and how to fix it...
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08-11-2017, 04:54 AMRichardButte
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08-11-2017, 04:55 AMhydralusI think so, yeah. Pushing a button to heal, pushing a button to deal damage; realistically the healer role is the only one with the skills to do the first but what would be the gameplay advantage of needing to heal more when everyone is playing optimally?Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
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08-11-2017, 05:35 AMBourne_EndeavorUh, WoW world first clears typically don't last more than a day either.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
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08-11-2017, 05:43 AMRichardButte...Except that your average DPS rotation is 10X more complex than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hydralus
You don't just "press buttons": you build resources, generate procs, wait for openings, weave in oGCD skills, and use every last trick you can in an effort to maximize your damage output.
As a healer, you refill the HP bars, then go back to DPSing. Hell, if it took more than 1-2 GCDs to top off the entire raid, healing might actually make you scramble a bit.
As for a gameplay advantage, you'd have the advantage of being able to do the thing you actually leveled the class to DO.
I didn't level AST to DPS, yet that's all there is to do 80% of the time. :\
That is DECIDEDLY untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
Compare these world firsts to when the content released for the tier:
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/163...rld_first_list
The fastest I recall happening recently was Mythic Emeral Dream which took about a week. Deltascape Savage was cleared the very same day. -
08-11-2017, 06:32 AMhydralusComing from older final fantasy games and D&D that's not what appeals to me about a healing job at all. Having the utility of being able to keep people alive while putting out respectable damage is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
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08-11-2017, 08:20 AMAmetrine
The factors that play into why I only like to heal come down to the separation of DPS and healing skillset. I do not enjoy the long, complex rotations of DPS classes, and I do not enjoy the responsibility and trust associated with tanking.
But healing gives me a selection of skills that require me to react as needed for individuals instances. Having a situation where I can contribute nothing extra from a good party is as frustrating a concept to me as it is to others that FFXIV healers are permitted and encouraged to take time to weave in damage.
I also have no quams about leaving bad situations, and don't let bad experiences ruin my play.
If FFXIV goes the direction of pure-healing on the healers, I will either swap to bard, as it's the only real support/utility job, or leave the game. Having just one singular task to do over and over (like a rotation) with little variation is very boring. -
08-11-2017, 08:28 AMTaikaThis is what's appealing to me in FFXIV healers as well. I love being able to support my party with heals, buffs AND dps. If they were only about pure healing, I wouldn't play them. I think this design attracts many players to the role.Quote:
Originally Posted by hydralus
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08-11-2017, 09:00 AMloreleidiangeloI think if the design were better implemented it wouldn't bug me as much either, but healing really is just exceptionally dull here, even with the added "responsibility" of spamming two DPS buttons between healing windows. Like, I actually enjoy Discipline Priest in World of Warcraft, which is a pure healer/deeps hybrid, but because of the way its implemented there it doesn't feel like I'm DPSing because I don't have anything else to DO, it feels like I'm DPSing as a smooth and integral part of my toolkit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taika
The old Cleric Stance really hammered home this disparity, IMO. A button that literally turns off your healing because there is no healing to do at the time and you might as well soup up your DPS instead.
In the interests of fairness, even the people I've spoken to who are pro healer DPS admit that healing in this game could stand to be adjusted a bit to make the split between healing/DPSing time more even. So I think the "two camps" as it were aren't actually that far apart in ideology when it comes to the future and direction of healing in XIV.
(Yes, I'm a Savage healer, before anyone comes and tells me to do hard content and still say that healing is too easy. I'm doing it, and even contrivances like Exdeath's White Hole don't do much to add challenge to the role outside of an arbitrary push away from AOE regens for the duration.) -
08-11-2017, 09:29 AMMoroMurasakiHe made this thread first in the healer section and (similar to what is happening here) people disagreed with his stance quite drastically. I assume he came here because he expected to find more support for this in a forum not dominated by healer mains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madepossible
Sadly he was wrong.
That is not your distinction to make. When you're on the development team of an MMO you can decide what healers are, as you are not this is (yet another, geez so many of these) an arbitrary argument based in nothing but your own feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardButte
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08-11-2017, 09:31 AMSDaemonUm...what? WoW world first clears take on average significantly longer than anything FFXIV has ever released. I can actually keep up on and watch WoW's progression day to day. FFXIV's world first race usually ends before I can even get off work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor