A big Problem that MAY come up with Stormblood...

And here I am trying to figure out what I should be going as: Dark Knight or Paladin.

Been flip flopping for a bit. I'm leaning Paladin after having done Dark Knight for so longer. Paladin was my first tank class and I feel more comfortable with that class.

No issues with going as a tank for me.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Except this is exactly the situation YoshiP doesn't want.


http://www.dualshockers.com/final-fa...ments-paladin/

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Short of deleting the need for tank and healing are roles I am not exactly sure how they can avoid at least trying to manage roles through incentives. The alternative is either trying to entirely rebuild how the game handles group makeup and balance or just leave dps with long queue times.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Short of deleting the need for tank and healing are roles I am not exactly sure how they can avoid at least trying to manage roles through incentives. The alternative is either trying to entirely rebuild how the game handles group makeup and balance or just leave dps with long queue times.

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Honestly, I think the longer DPS queue is justified. Every time I run roulettes, since I have all 60s, usually I start by asking myself "do I want a fast queue or do I want to be free of most responsibility?". Oftentimes, I choose the latter and find something else to do while sitting through that DPS queue time.

With Stormblood, I want those fast queue times instead, so I'll burden the responsibility as either a tank or a healer. Just have to figure out which one first.....

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Short of deleting the need for tank and healing are roles I am not exactly sure how they can avoid at least trying to manage roles through incentives. The alternative is either trying to entirely rebuild how the game handles group makeup and balance or just leave dps with long queue times.

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Oh, don't get me wrong. I totally agree with you. The problem is, Yoshi P doesn't seem to think healers and tanks like to play/try out new jobs too and that throwing mounts at tanks will magically fix the problem. As far as I know, healers aren't getting much incentives to stay healers and while AST is certainly going to see its player base grow, a lot of SCH and WHM seem unhappy with their changes and are talking about switching roles. I can't really speak for tanks as I don't play mine aside from leveling them =p

As far as I can see, not a single DPS player in my guild, nor in any of the guilds I know (and we have a HUGE raid community) is switching to a tank or healer for Stormblood. However, we are losing roughly half of our tanks and about 1/4 to 1/3 of players to the new DPS classes. Of course not ALL of them are going to stay, but some are.

There is ZERO incentive outside of queue times to be healer or tank in normal everyday content in SB over picking a DPS player. There is zero new reason to switch, 2 healers and 2 tanks got actually conceivably nerfed and its all over the forums if someone cares to look it up. But there is 2 big incentives to go DPS.

So I dont think the idea that tanks and healers will soon go back to being just that, and the total mix isnt going to change, is gonna fly this time. It may not get MUCH worse, but it WILL get worse.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

So I dont think the idea that tanks and healers will soon go back to being just that, and the total mix isnt going to change, is gonna fly this time. It may not get MUCH worse, but it WILL get worse.

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We will see. But given the only trend we've seen in Final Fantasy XIV, that people won't switch role completely to tank or healer just because a cool job is in that role, we could extrapolate that to mean the opposite as well. If people want to tank or heal, they will tank and/or heal.

Problem as I see it is just because new tanks and healers didn't attract DPS players over doesn't automatically mean that tanks and healers will stay as tanks and healers when no new jobs are being offered. Indeed, feedback so far seems to indicate that a lot wont.

Guess they'll have info on that for 5.0

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Problem as I see it is just because new tanks and healers didn't attract DPS players over doesn't automatically mean that tanks and healers will stay as tanks and healers when no new jobs are being offered. Indeed, feedback so far seems to indicate that a lot wont.

Guess they'll have info on that for 5.0

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i think the problem is not that they don't get a new tank or healer class, but that the existing tanks and healers lose a lot of tools and don't really get something exciting new in return. plus the balancing between the tanks and healers seems horrible with PLD and AST extremely overbuffed.
in 3.0 we didn't lost ALL the Tanks and Healers to DRK and AST - okay, AST was undertuned... however, i remember that WAR and SCH and to some degree WHM were really happy with their new toys. but now? WAR, DRK, SCH and WHM all are getting the short end of the stick >.>

Don't worry, everyone! Yoshi P said that players tend to stick to their roles, so everything will be FINE!

Pfffff, sorry, couldn't keep a straight face. XD

Queue will be longer for DPS players, but this will only last for the first few months. I think around 4.1, we will see the players who play their tanks and healers go back to those classes. Most of the new Red Mages and Samurai's are going to be played dps players, so they will only swap one dps for another.

Level 50-60 queue will be very slow and 60-70 might be a bit slower then usual aswell, but this will only last few weeks - couple of months. If we do have a big shortage of tanks and healers, then I think SE will introduce something to encourage players to play those roles.