Stupid reason to report someone

If people want dps so bad and ignore the primary role of their job, they should just do content with 8x dps.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It isn't their fault content outside Savage and Extreme primals is so piss easy, you generally don't notice a DPS cheesing mechanics or eating an aoe for positionals. I know full well my capabilities on Dragoon, and if I'm about to pull aggro on trash, I'm already looking to Keen Flurry, Bloodbath and Second Wind because if I do take that mob, I should be prepared to handle it.

The reason healers catch more slack is it's far more noticeable. A Ninja not using Goad isn't standing around doing nothing. Meanwhile, I have had Hullbreaker and Xelphatol runs where the healer literally jumped around the map because they had nothing to do. Ya tend to notice that more. :p

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how about when the last boss on an i210 dungeon takes forever to die? Should the initial reaction be to blame the dps or the healer? Sure the healer is "standing around" but the primary DPS role is:
to DPS!

If you play a DRG or MNK with i240 + gear and need the SCH to help you DPS in an old 4 man dungeon , you need to be called out for it. But they never get called out. They always get a pass for facerolling.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

how about when the last boss on an i210 dungeon takes forever to die? Should the initial reaction be to blame the dps or the healer? Sue the healer is "standing around" but the primary DPS role is:
to DPS!

If you play a DRG or MNK with i250 gear and need the SCH to help you DPS , you need to be called out for it. But they never get called out. They always get a pass for facerolling.

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It's taking forever to die because the tank pulled the room and you aren't spamming Holy, Gravity or DoTs + Bane. To emphasis that point, if there are six mobs on the tank and I clip all of them with Doom Spike, it'll net 960 potency; Holy will net 920. On a standard three pull, those numbers become 480 and 540, respectively. Assuming equal gear, you would out-DPS me if tanks pulled like the devs prefer. Fancy that. :p

Granted, this is, of course, an ideal situation. If the tank isn't rotating cooldowns, lacks proper gear or DPS are standing in AoEs, a healer shouldn't focus on damage. Nonetheless, their role is to mitigate. A dead mob is one who isn't dealing damage, thus it's a form of mitigation. People advocating for healers to DPS aren't saying do so above all else. We are arguing you do so when it's safe. "I'm not comfortable yet!" Isn't an excuse three months after The Creator releases. Don't queue for that content if you're not comfortable yet then. I didn't queue for Expert roulette until I practiced tanking and knew proper coldown management. Likewise on Dragoon. I googled the 60 rotation before even reaching 60 and adjusting to it as I leveled. Whenever I do pull from an undergeared tank, I don't whine about it. I pop Keen Flurry and tank it myself or Elusive Jump to drop aggro.

And believe me, I would call a Monk or Dragoon who couldn't pull 500 DPS. Alas, we're not allowed to talk about parses in-game. So unless I notice them messing up the rotation or they die frequently, I can't say anything.

When I play tank, I want all that glittery green on me all the time, even when just a tick of my health is off. I want to go all out, and aggro/murder everything in a bloodbath. If people want to whine and cry about a healer not DPS-ing, gtfo of Duty Finder and make your own personal party.

Healer = Healer! o_O

Whats next? People asking DPS-classes to just heal themself with Potions or pretty weak heal spells by cross-skills? lol

In case some1 dares to mock me with that "Do dps, healer!" insult, I will just say: one of these: o;
"Why? Is your own DPS THAT low?"
"Ok, then you heal from now on!"

I wouldnt be surprised if Cleric Stance will get locked inside synched runs, someday, so the dramas about it ends! o_o

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Healer = Healer! o_O

Whats next? People asking DPS-classes to just heal themself with Potions or pretty weak heal spells by cross-skills? lol

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No, but that's because it's undesirable for DPS to waste potion CDs and GCDs on healing.

There are two main reasons why anyone cares about healers dealing damage:

1. Healers are actually decent at DPS, while the DPS role is horrible at healing and should not be attempting it instead of attacking.
2. Skilled healers need to cast very few heals to fill their primary role in most content and with most groups. Bad healers will stand there and spam Cure etc., but good ones know when the damage is coming and which skills will keep the party safe with the fewest GCDs and the least mana consumed. These healers have abundant time to weave in DPS unless the party is artificially inflating the healing requirement by being terrible.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Healer = Healer! o_O

Whats next? People asking DPS-classes to just heal themself with Potions or pretty weak heal spells by cross-skills? lol

In case some1 dares to mock me with that "Do dps, healer!" insult, I will just say: one of these: o;
"Why? Is your own DPS THAT low?"
"Ok, then you heal from now on!"

I wouldnt be surprised if Cleric Stance will get locked inside synched runs, someday, so the dramas about it ends! o_o

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This is just being willfully obtuse. Someone asking you to DPS wants the run to go faster. No DPS can make up for an additional 920 potency on a six mob pull.

You wouldn't enjoy the agonizingly long queues. Unless dungeon difficulty increases, many people wouldn't play healers without Cleric. Part of the reason FFXIV went in this direction is to get more people to try healers.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

In case some1 dares to mock me with that "Do dps, healer!" insult, I will just say: one of these: o;
"Why? Is your own DPS THAT low?"
"Ok, then you heal from now on!"

I wouldnt be surprised if Cleric Stance will get locked inside synched runs, someday, so the dramas about it ends! o_o

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I'm genuily curious now: What is your reply to a friendly suggestion like this [coming from your well geared tank in an expert dungeon]:

"Hey, I'm not taking that much damage and I wont die to quickly! ;) So you can actually hop into Cleric Stance and help the DPS a little to speed the run up!"

What if someone told you "Hey, you should do this to improve the way you're playing!"
(because no, not using half of your skills and doing nothing for relativly large amounts of time cant be the best way to play your class)

I totally understand that one might not feel comfortable in a new duty etc. etc. - but... being a level 60 healer that argument doesnt really count anymore, so its down to your CHOICE to play bad. Yes, I consider it bad when you only do the bare minimum of whats asked of you - I could tank using only flash. One skill. Not more. And I would still be fullfilling my "role" as a tank - without dealing any damage at all. I could flash 7 times, be oom but have aggro for the rest of my days and just sit down then, wait for the dps to kill the mobs.

I do apologise when I came off rude before (rough day, silly excuse, I know - not the best mood to responed to a topic like this...) but I really, really dont understand why someone who actually seems to know better chooses NOT to improve themselves and be simply a bad player... So if anyone could explain to me why they choose not to heal without claiming to feel "insecure" in content they've run a dozens of times (...and 60 levels of learning in their pocket... I mean... havent you learned anything while leveling up?) or roleplay (which should never be a reason not to play to the best of your abilities in matched content) I'd be grateful...

I would say its only fair to expect healers to DPS, if and when they can see the numbers the DPS are actually pulling and call them out without getting banned. Till then no one can expect anyone to do anything as it has been stated on these boards many times. Playstyle is non bannable. If you want a healer that DPS's you play can change your class and be a healer who DPS's or Make your own party with people who have the same "Playstyle" as you.

SO IF I USE RAID FINDER AND I'M AN ICE ONLY BLACK MAGE DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Vidu

So if anyone could explain to me why they choose not to heal without claiming to feel "insecure" in content they've run a dozens of times (...and 60 levels of learning in their pocket... I mean... havent you learned anything while leveling up?) or roleplay (which should never be a reason not to play to the best of your abilities in matched content) I'd be grateful...

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Because everyone loses their shit when a blm or smn spams physick. :P

Just teasing!

Healers who choose to not dps, I've seen, come in a few flavors.

Obtuse about it.
New to duty and wants a feel for it first.
In a full party and the other healer is useless.
Super squishy tank.
Performance anxiety.
Doesn't think they're bad, cause no one died.
Distracted by: TV, movie, significant other, dinner, pets, etc.
Have no desire to improve (these are the ones who are in full Shire gear and can only manage 600 spa. On aoe trash.)