request for Exp reduce

Whew I'm glad I got almost all my war and magic classes to 50. The people that want XP reduced will be the same ones that will cry that it had been reduced too much. We've seen it happen before with one of the previous patches.

I'm glad SE didn't reduce anima. Look it how things turned out. Perfectly fine. Everyone eventually adapts to their form of happiness in the game. The same applies to XP.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Who cares if it effects everyone...everyone is giving opinion of what they think will be best for the game. Not what they "Think" everyone else thinks is a cool idea.

I can't speak for everyone but when I suggest something it's becuase I think it would be fun for me, I want leveling to slow down because it will hurt the longevity of the game for me. I don't care if Johny casual is upset because the game takes longer to play than he would like.

I want my MMO's to last years not months. A quick grind is exactly what that will cause the game to do for me, have no lasting appeal due to the lack of any real achievment.


Again it's a issue for me because it effects the sense of achievment and "Point" of leveling. I don't want to have to gimp myself or my exp just so I level slower...even telling someone to.

"Level slower then" is outright stupid. Why would I want to compromise my game experience and the fun of leveling in a party with teamwork and apropriate tactics just so I can level slower than people who don't even put effort in?

I want my effort to be rewarded and people who can't be bothered to put some time/effort in will lag behind. Yes it's a "Greedy" way to think of things but I do believe things should be earned not handed to us.

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Obviously everyone who would not like the change cares....

My lord I have never see so much I,Me and My in one post. You have to be one of if not the most selfish person on these Forums. Stop thinking so much about yourself and think more about the community. After all the game was made for the community not just you.

Time does not always equal effort. Lazy people tend to finish last in most things. By refusing to "level slower then" even though its typically the same thing, you want the people who don't put the effort you feel you do to be behind you just because you are selfish and feel that they should be behind you in the game.

I feel exp rate is fine. Most folks don't enjoy spending months leveling. Just put in more end game content..that is where the most fun is. Leveling gets monotonous fast...end game stuff tends to last longer...^.^

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

My lord I have never see so much I,Me and My in one post. You have to be one of if not the most selfish person on these Forums. Stop thinking so much about yourself and think more about the community. After all the game was made for the community not just you.

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I unlike many people here don't pretend to know what the community wants.

I make suggestions that I think people may also think are awesome ideas, but the focus on my ideal game. I can never know what someone else truely wants so I don't pretend to know. You seem to know what everyone wants for the game and thats a broad assumption, these forums don't span the games community and just because the few "Hardcore" players who bother to post here are for/against something it doesn't mean it's what the game developers or the whole community wants.

We have been told to give the developers our feedback and suggestions, we are all here doing so. I am not being selfish, I have ideals that people may find "Selfish" but if you knew me at all I don't actually pour alot of time into the game either but when I do I like my time to feel worth it. With my infrequent play I still have 2 rank 50 classes hell almost 3 if Botany wasn't so unrewarding past the 40's...

Nothing so far has felt like it has rewarded the time and effort I have invested in the game, Darkhold, Ifirit are nice things to have but it's a paltry sum of challenging content even for a game that is still being worked on. I just don't understand the point of a leveling system when the system itself has been thrown to the side like a worn out sock. People seem to be all for skipping the leveling process while keeping it in the game for some reason.

This if anything speaks louder than words...tell me what is the point of having class ranks when the "Grind" is so pointless that no one wants to do it? I may not speak for the community but I feel that my ideals are what is best for the community wether they like it or not.

It's a twisted way to put it, but I care for the community as well it's a integral part of my gameplay experience to have a thriving community. I find a "Grind" to be a required evil, people may moan about it but it forges bonds that endgame content "Especially as it is now" will never do. I find a small tightknit community to be far more enjoyable than a larger chaotic community.

My ideals don't fall into what everyone wants with the game but nobody has ideals that will please everyone, there is no "Pleasing the community" because it's made of a mishmash of players of different backgrounds. You will find plenty of people who back my ideas when they suit their ideals and then turn around and hate the next idea I have because it revolts them. It's natural and I take no offense to it, it's far better than assuming I know what everyone wants, I just know what I think would be best for the game.

If your trying to assume you know what everyone wants that is just silly and I have no further need to talk to you about anything. Such a narrow minded view on things has it's positives, but for debating purposes it's useless.

I do feel that people who don't put effort into the game should be behind, this is a universal truth that will shine through regardless of how the game is developed. If I play for 500 hours I will be ahead of the person who has only played 100 hours wether it be through gear, ranks, levels, quests, jobs, skills, knowledge.

if you are playing a MMO and have no discernable advantage over a new player then I think that game has 0 value as a MMO. I personally think it should revolve around every facet of the game not just some who think gear or quest progress should be the only discernable investment. I want everything to be a challenge that rewards me for my time and my skill, it will never be exactly as I want it but as long as SE continues to ask for my suggestions I will continue to give them and support ideas that I feel allign with my own ideals.

*TLDR version*

I say I, Me, and My alot because I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself. The game was made for a community it's true, but SE is asking for my feedback and I am giving them it in the most honest way possible by giving them MY opinion and not trying to pass it off as anyone elses.

The people who agree with me will make it known themselves, I feel no remorse for someone who can't say what they want for the game. Speak for yourself and never assume you speak for others.

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Originally Posted by Synfrag

Well he does have a link to his other threads in his signature

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I do see you deleted this message but I would like to point out it's not a vanity thing, it is however a great way to get exposure to my ideas and as you can see alot of people actually support the main two threads in my signature.

Although who wouldn't want a bestiary...

I don't do it for "Epeen" as I don't care how important anyone thinks I am over the internet. I just wanted to make sure you weren't misunderstanding the meaning of my signature links. I care about the game as much as anyone else who wants it to make it all the way, I may do it differently but most of us on this forum want the same thing.

A game we can enjoy.

I do speak for Myself. However what you and others don't or refuse to see/believe. Is that the current system has things for everyone. If you want to level fast you can level fast. want to level slow you can. By wanting them to change it to where EVERYONE has to level as slow as YOU feel we should. is the selfish act I speak of. You want the game to be how you want it to be and simply do not care if it effects others. You don't want a middle ground and try to make both sides happy. You simply want everyone to be Equal to you which again is selfish.

I have never seen you talk about how to make both sides of the community happy or even think about both sides. But always see you talk about you want with no regards to what others want (unless they agree with you). You don't have to Think or know what the entire community wants in order to think about them when you ask SE to make a decision that will effect EVERYONE's playing experience.

I don't know why you don't understand. That taking your time and enjoy your trip up to 50 while letting others level up fast as they wish and have fun sitting in ul'dah all day. would benefit both sides far more then forcing everyone to choose one or the other.
Why does SE have to slow it down for everyone for you to get that effort and experience you are searching for?

I'm not one for fast leveling look at my jobs been playing since release on and off and still only one level 50. I spend most of my time online doing things I like doing and leveling as I please. I couldn't care less if johnny gets all his jobs to 50 before I do. I'll laugh at him sitting in Ul'dah while i'm having fun with the game. But the difference between us is I'm not letting anyone else but me effect my gaming experience and journey.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

I have never seen you talk about how to make both sides of the community happy

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Becasue it's a fruitless search. Finding a middle ground does nothing but give people "Tollerance" it doesn't make them "pleased".

I do think about the community when I post, I think a slower leveling curve is benificial for everyone, again wether they really want it or not. It's a touph love aproach but it's how I am. I don't believe in "Everyone wins" scenarios because they don't exist.

Trying to please everyone just turns into the equivilant of "Giving everyone gold stars" a fruitless attempt to make everyone happy that fails everytime.

I do feel like the time I took to get my 2 rank 50 classes is made pointless because I refuse to power level I am "Behind" other players despite me actually putting effort into the game. I accept that I will never be as far ahead as powerleveling people and I enjoy the time I spend leveling my classes. It doesn't help but dull my victory when my extra effort has 0 advantages aside from being a good way to kill time.

I play MMO's so I can see the results of the time I invest, if I want quick and easy fun I play a normal game. I can't invest weeks at a time like I used to but I like to see the results of the time I spend reflect on my character and the server I play on.

Watching people "Skip" the hard part makes it feel like what I'm doing is pointless. Why does SE have to allow people to skip a important part of the game?

Like I said before if your going to do something, do it. If SE considers leveling a "Barrier" then they should remove it and focus the game on "Endgame" based solely on gear...I would love to see how many people who support Powerleveling would react if leveling was removed entirely.

Would be a different story I think, even now the illusion of leveling has a profound impact on the game even if it's been reduced to a few days time people will still cling to its importance. They just want to get to the top of the mountain as fast as they can.

If I had to use a analogy it would be like standing in a flat room, there is a staircase and a teleporter to "The other room" but once you get there it's the same flat room as before why even bother having a second room?

XP is a bit fast I will agree there. But I don't get how you can say you don't like the grind, but once you are 50 all you do it grind to get materia, and on the same mobs over and over and over. LOL its the same thing you either grind to get 50 or grind to break gear and gain none of the XP from a kill. I have NP with a longer LVIng process, but PPL like it fast so that's the way it will stay.

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Originally Posted by NamudNevets

XP is a bit fast I will agree there. But I don't get how you can say you don't like the grind, but once you are 50 all you do it grind to get materia, and on the same mobs over and over and over

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I guess it's just a matter of where the "Grind" appears. But by the look of things I don't think it will be long before materia gets a heavy handed nerf as well until people have nothing worth accomplishing.

I'm not one for fast leveling look at my jobs been playing since release on and off and still only one level 50. I spend most of my time online doing things I like doing and leveling as I please. I couldn't care less if johnny gets all his jobs to 50 before I do. I'll laugh at him sitting in Ul'dah while i'm having fun with the game. But the difference between us is I'm not letting anyone else but me effect my gaming experience and journey.

You say you play to see your results. But seem to let the way others choose to play effect you much more then it should.
I agree that there is no point to leveling so fast when there is no content. Which why I couldn't care less about it right now (even more so when jobs keep changing) Even is they lower it once again. So many will already have jobs at capped. Majority of the newer generations of gamers prefer the rush though things sadly. So a slow leveling will make them less likely to play resulting and a much lower community. That will hurt the game and decrease its life much less then fast leveling would once there is abundant of content out.

OP, the EXP is fine. I've bought the collectors edition so I was out playing early, and I have one Lv50 class, and working on multiple classes right now since the advent of patch 1.18. Personally I don't consider lv50 content endgame at all, thats more like mid-content.

thats just my 2 cents

Like I said earlier before, if you really want to complain then do it in FFXI, over there you can get Lv95 in 24 hours.