No sense of fear in this game.

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Originally Posted by Azper

I think people need to remove the rose-tinted glasses.

Aside from the initial nostalgia factor, the things people are asking for from the days of yore would do nothing but annoy me today.

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Then don't participate in it. We already established it would be optional. And it's not about nostalgia, it's about the fact there is nothing remotely risky on FFXIV. Some people get enjoyment out of taking a risk.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Some people get enjoyment out of taking a risk.

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You're right, "some people"
But it's difficult to make an open world content that catters only to "some people", especially when it's the more hardcore part of the community.

Casual Friendly Fantasy XIV are not going to be harder for anyone.

Dungeons/Raids are a joke the only "hard"content are Extreme/Savage stuff.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Some people get enjoyment out of taking a risk.

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And...what exactly is stopping you from just setting rules for yourself to make things more risky?

Seems like the best solution if it's meant to be truly and entirely optional because it's not even the game that's enforcing the rules, it's the individual player. You can even emulate random chances with online calculators easily, or just type /random and discard the amount of gil/items you set as potential loss for yourself. Linkshells and FCs allow for like-minded players to come together, too.

I mean, that's how roleplay works and it works quite well. The fact that it's not enforced by the game doesn't diminish the enjoyment gotten from it either.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

And...what exactly is stopping you from just setting rules for yourself to make things more risky?

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It is only my opinion, but that kinda seems stupid and masochistic. If it is entirely optional most of the people are not gonna bother, because it puts you at disadventage in comparison to the players who do not follow the same rules.

So there either has to be some content that enforces that by game design or server type that does it. Otherwise idk why would anyone do that. ^^

Also, there are sick and disabled people who play the game and pay their sub and who want the game not to be too hard to play. Like I said, games like FF XI are dead and outdated, and FF XIV is a modern one.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

In FFXI[, ...] Getting past enemy lines wasn't just something you stormed through like a bull, you had to be sneaky which added to the risk and the enjoyment.

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Sneaky is the word, sure, but only because in 95%+ of areas, you'd just cast a spell or use an ability/item to gain the Sneak effect (and sometimes also the Invisible effect) and could then completely ignore all the mobs.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

This is already a thing, just most people don't realize it. Most mobs won't aggro on you if you're out of their LoS, but there are exceptions. Walk past a Mudpuppy/Ninki Nanka sometime. Seriously, walk right in front of its face. They can't see you, so they only attack if they can hear you (i.e. you are running near them). I think Morbols and a few other things act the same way. Mobs in the Diadem aggro on you when you get in range whether they can see or hear you or not, so arguably they aggro to your smell.

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Yeah, FFXIV definitely still has the sight/sound distinction. In addition to what's said here, you can walk right up behind something that's aggressive based on sight, all the way up to its hit box, and it'll ignore you. Try to do that with a morbol though and it'll attack right away.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

It is only my opinion, but that kinda seems stupid and masochistic. If it is entirely optional most of the people are not gonna bother, because it puts you at disadventage in comparison to the players who do not follow the same rules.

So there either has to be some content that enforces that by game design or server type that does it. Otherwise idk why would anyone do that. ^^

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Well, she said some people get enjoyment from it, so...yeah. I was assuming the enjoyment comes from the thing itself, rather than other people suffering through it as well (or worse, inflicting suffering upon them!)

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Originally Posted by Korbash

Also, there are sick and disabled people who play the game and pay their sub and who want the game not to be too hard to play.

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What don't people understand about this content being optional? Savage exists but people don't have to play it. Btw, I am sick. It doesn't mean I don't like a challenge. Plus this isn't even about difficultly, it's about risk.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

And...what exactly is stopping you from just setting rules for yourself to make things more risky?

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This is kind of silly, the idea of risk is enjoyable because you are risking things for a greater reward, not to just discard your gil.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, she said some people get enjoyment from it, so...yeah. I was assuming the enjoyment comes from the thing itself, rather than other people suffering through it as well (or worse, inflicting suffering upon them!)

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Optional optional optional.

well don't use your godly platemail of divine protection +99 then.