Why further enhancements to market wards?

Walk up to Wards
Select Item Search Counter
Select desired ward
Select desired catergory
Find Item
Select Item

=I'm ok with the market wards up to this point=
=Anything after this point is a waste of time=

Hit "Yes" button at bottom to track item
Select Market Wards
Select desired ward
Wait for loading screen
Run to desired retainer and select
Purchase desired item from retainer
Run back to the Market Ward window

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Originally Posted by Draco

The point i was trying to make, is that, those of us who have continued to play this game since it came out are, for lack of better words, fan boys/girls, which I have no problem with saying that I am. As a fan boy, my opinion is biased in favor of FFXIV. I love the company, and for many of us, it can do no wrong. That is why you have so many people on many threads that I have read in the past defending SE and its desicions and what not. I made this thread trying to put myself out of it and try to have in mind, those that are not used to the system and what would help them be instantly comfortable if they started playing this game.

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1) Dude.. stop trying to be a troll. You're doing a brilliant job at it
2) Stop trying to Pioneer your failed logic, everyone didn't elect you to be our mouth piece.
3) If we all wanted the same things, I sure as hell don't need you to speak for me. Last time I checked we all had our opinions.

Some of us don't want things simple, an AH or want any of the changes yet yes I understand so do as well. SE has done quite a lot wrong with this game at it's launch. If you were here from its start you'd understand there mishandling of the launch, the failures to fix bugs that were persistent in the closed Alpha/Beta. Horrible Laggy UI just as one of the examples. I sure don't want you as a mouth piece just like the fact you don't represent what I'd like to see in this game or what I wouldn't. You don't speak for me, and i'm sure you don't speak for anyone else. This is a just suggestions you'd like personally see changed, fixed etc. We all have the ability to speak what we'd like to see.

Every system has it's flaws, it's pro's and cons. Again, I don't need you to speak for me. I would much rather have both a Market Wards And an Auction House but you know what the market wards really isn't all that bad. If you want a game custom tailored to you vs what SE actually wants us to have, Please go play WoW.

Me and Kai may belong to the same LS but I understand the facts we all have our opinions and what we like vs don't like. This has nothing to do with that.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

Ok personally I had my problems with FFXI AH. I can't count how many times I gave up trying to buy something just because some jackass decided to ask for way more then the Price History was showing. It was stupid to have to blindly bid on something. Not to mention I remember quite a few times I would buy something, then check the Price History only to find I bought something from Unidhofhf. Alot of people on here are saying how great XI's AH was. Do you remember when RMT dominated it? I sure do. And I also recall reading on here how RMT aren't that bad. Not true, I see them EVERYWHERE lol. And I bet money if we went to XI's AH on here they would again dominate it. Even more so because they DO do crafting on here, considering crafting on here plays a bigger role then it was on XI.

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Another one of the many reasons FFXIV flopped at release was because of system implementations that were brought on in an effort to thwart the RMT problem in FFXI. RMT have always been and will always be. They are like nature that way ( Nature always finds a way ). There is no such thing as a system that prevents RMT. They can only try to make it harder for them to conduct business. In the process of making things harder for them, they sacrifice the experience for the rest of us by leaving out basic fundements of an MMO. Just make a task force that rids of them as much as you can and that is all you can really do. Other games dont really have an issue keeping the masses due to high RMT population, why does this one.

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Originally Posted by Draco

Another one of the many reasons FFXIV flopped at release was because of system implementations that were brought on in an effort to thwart the RMT problem in FFXI. RMT have always been and will always be. They are like nature that way ( Nature always finds a way ). There is no such thing as a system that prevents RMT. They can only try to make it harder for them to conduct business. In the process of making things harder for them, they sacrifice the experience for the rest of us by leaving out basic fundements of an MMO. Just make a task force that rids of them as much as you can and that is all you can really do. Other games dont really have an issue keeping the masses due to high RMT population, why does this one.

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Oh.. So it's not about what We want It's about what you want. I get this due to the fact that you can't even comment on what all we say in response to your rhetorical comments. This isn't about what we want, it's about what you want. Please get off you're high horse and join the rest of the public. This isn't about what any of us like only what you'd like see happen. As if you're opinion was the only one that matters on this subject.

Also for the fact FFXIV Also has the task force for Anti-RMT. There is barely any RMT left in 11 I wonder why that is?

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Originally Posted by Draco

Another one of the many reasons FFXIV flopped at release was because of system implementations that were brought on in an effort to thwart the RMT problem in FFXI. RMT have always been and will always be. They are like nature that way ( Nature always finds a way ). There is no such thing as a system that prevents RMT. They can only try to make it harder for them to conduct business. In the process of making things harder for them, they sacrifice the experience for the rest of us by leaving out basic fundements of an MMO. Just make a task force that rids of them as much as you can and that is all you can really do. Other games dont really have an issue keeping the masses due to high RMT population, why does this one.

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I never said we could get rid of them for good. Or anything of that matter. All I said was if we had a AH like XI then it will make it that much easier for them to make money. And that was one little point out of my whole post, lol.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

I never said we could get rid of them for good. Or anything of that matter. All I said was if we had a AH like XI then it will make it that much easier for them to make money. And that was one little point out of my whole post, lol.

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The market Wards at release wasn't the main reason why the fact the game flopped at release. The flop was due to the UI Lag, the failures to fix the bugs persistent at the release of the game that the beta experienced. Market Wards wasn't the sole reason, if you sole want to believe that than you're sadly mistaken.

Which yes I agree with you Gemma. (Was pointing it out of a previous comment made in this thread that the Market Wards broke the game which it did not)

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Originally Posted by Seif

AH would at least get some people who have left give this game another chance. Nobody is going to return when they know that the MW system that they hated has been slightly tweaked. Also no amount of fixing the MW will ever make them as handy as XI's AH.

Seems like SE's priorities are still all over the place with bikinis and leve tweaks when the real big issues that they have known since the first player poll are yet to be addressed.


I agree with the OP that even telling about plans for these basic features to be added would give a lot of players more faith in this game's future.

I saw a very old article on IGN today "what MMO should you play" and even though the content is ages old I think this one quote sums up XIV's development and public perception of SE's actions really well:

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News flash: I think the people that have left wont come back for Auction House. They got feelings hurt like most of us felt let down. The only difference is that some of us decided to stay and just wait until it got better. Its kinda like the person that is in a bad relationship. When they finally get out they adopt the attitude of all men are dogs or all women are gold diggers mentality. Instead of focusing on the truth which is that just the person they were in a relationship with were a dog and or gold digger. Basically they may never come back, however, once word gets out that this game is off and running like a charm(after 1.21 or so) then the game will attract new players that dont have the bad taste still in their mouths.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

I can set up two different sets of items to sell
I can show off gear I am selling
I get extra storage for my stuff


yeah no advantages over AH there........

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1. Makes no sense. In an AH(*See below), you wouldn't need to distinguish between "sets" of items; you would have 20 slots that you could fill with whatever item you wanted, regardless of category. You would simply drop the item off on your sale page, give it a price, and leave. The organizational structure that's imposed on retainers now is because without it it would be absolute chaos; and even with it, it's still very chaotic compared to a system that doesn't ask the sellers to organize themselves and instead forces structure.

2. You can show off ONE gear set per retainer at a time, on one race and gender. WOW, RIFT and Aion style systems allow ctrl + clicking to model gear on your own character. They're infinitely better at this than FFXIV.

3. This should be decoupled in the first place; you should have enough slots to be able to sell your stuff and enough slots to store your stuff by default. The fact that you get "additional storage" when you get "additional sale slots" (or vice versa) isn't because they're bonuses or features or whatever, it's because SE put a band-aid on an ailing system and instead of letting you list more than 10 items per retainer, or fit more than 100 items on a retainer, they just tossed you another free retainer.

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that is the thing, the devs want to retainers to be a big focus, again it is some people just saying "I dont like it so it should be tossed out" crap.

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* By AH, I mean any system that doesn't involve graphically rendered retainers -- not a bazaar system -- yet still be centered around the character's retainers. The MW system can easily be recreated without rendering retainers while still maintaining the way it works. It's mostly the fact that we HAVE rendered retainers that the MW are so bad right now and changes are so slow.

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Originally Posted by Exander

Oh.. So it's not about what We want It's about what you want. I get this due to the fact that you can't even comment on what all we say in response to your rhetorical comments. This isn't about what we want, it's about what you want. Please get off you're high horse and join the rest of the public. This isn't about what any of us like only what you'd like see happen. As if you're opinion was the only one that matters on this subject.

Also for the fact FFXIV Also has the task force for Anti-RMT. There is barely any RMT left in 11 I wonder why that is?

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Yes, they handled the RMT issue in 11 perfectly. Make a task force and handle it that way. In this game they did market wards, changed crafting system to make it harder, went without a mailbox, they have soft cap and hard cap in gathering. Frankly, I actually love the crafting system, but I have heard many complaints about the others. Some have been addressed, some still bieng addressed. Others, nope.

Look, I have been on this game on and off since Beta. I have spoken to tons of people, read all kinds of forums, watched countless reviews and read more articles than I can count. I have played every single large scale MMO ever made since FFXI. What I wrote in this thread is based on what I have learned from all of that. You are getting up in arms about everything I am saying no matter what it is, even if I agree with you on some points. I mean you came to defend a fellow linkshell mate that is not even under attack lol. Just seems silly to me. Relax and keep things constructive. Maybe our community and SE can all benefit from a thread of different prespectives.

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Originally Posted by Draco

Yes, they handled the RMT issue in 11 perfectly. Make a task force and handle it that way. In this game they did market wards, changed crafting system to make it harder, went without a mailbox, they have soft cap and hard cap in gathering. Frankly, I actually love the crafting system, but I have heard many complaints about the others. Some have been addressed, some still bieng addressed. Others, nope.

Look, I have been on this game on and off since Beta. I have spoken to tons of people, read all kinds of forums, watched countless reviews and read more articles than I can count. I have played every single large scale MMO ever made since FFXI. What I wrote in this thread is based on what I have learned from all of that. You are getting up in arms about everything I am saying no matter what it is, even if I agree with you on some points. I mean you came to defend a fellow linkshell mate that is not even under attack lol. Just seems silly to me. Relax and keep things constructive. Maybe our community and SE can all benefit from a thread of different prespectives.

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again sorry you dont speak for everyone, there are many that see what the MW can be with updates (and it is getting them) and wold rather that then an AH, it seems all some people want now a days is now now now now, this instant, and I find it a bit silly.

People blow the "trouble" the market ward is way out of proportion.