Required rank on all gear

I actually find this topic really helpful, I'm kinda new to the game and always have trouble when I want to buy new gear and I'm always looking for gear optimal to my rank but it's kinda hard for me to buy said gear because its really expensive for my current lvl, something that makes things easier for new players wouldn't be bad.

Also, I have a noob question that I hope someone can help me with, if I use a gear with op R1 at R16 will I'll get a penalty of some sort? It's just that I want to get an Onion Dublet but don't know if it will really help me at R20 :/

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Right. The Optimal Level system works fine, it's just not explained anywhere and the data isn't shown properly. Low level players equipping high level gear have no idea how much they're hurting themselves. You don't get nearly as much of a bonus out of Optimal level and it deteriorates MUCH faster.

All the NM/Dungeon gear they've been introducing has class/level requirements though, it's clearly the direction they're going.

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You can easily check and realize that you gain more from a piece of your level and class, its not hard to do a quick comparison -- but personally I prefer just buying gear 10-20 levels higher and growing into it. Why?

Because why buy a piece of gear that's 30,000g for level 10, when you can pay 50,000g for something that level 28 and level the short distance into it? If my level 15, why my I going to be more than double to upgrade to something close to my level and then have to buy something else a few levels later when I can just buy the higher level stuff. Sure the stats aren't as good as something perfectly appropriate for my level, but 1. Each time you level, those stats increase, and 2. unless you're constantly dying and having to make constant repairs you end up saving money.

I'll agree to this "put a level restriction on everything!" nonsense when people stop selling low rank gear for more than higher ranked gear costs. I've restarted a few times to test out the way the game plays from starting level a few times, and each time I do, it seems like low level gear is increasingly more expensive -- which is silly. No piece under level 20 should be more than 20k -- and don't even start with that "money falls out of trees!" nonsense, because if you're just leveling a job with leves, you don't end up making real money until you hit Rank 20 -- which is long after you need to start upgrading. And there are only so many quests that give large scale rewards.

I'm not reading all this, but just wanted to add my complete and utter agreement that all gear should have required classes and rank.

Honestly I don't think optimal rank is the problem. The main reason why I notice low level people wearing gear that's way too high for them is the fact that there is not enough gear for their level. And if there is it is insanly over-priced, because no one is demading low level gear so there isn't much up, and the stuff that is up is like 50-100k which no new player has that kind of gil. So the lower level people see that the high level people are selling a Toadskin Harness (Red) for 15k cause there's like 50 of them up cause we get them from our leves all the time & just try to get rid of them. So naturally they will buy the higher level gear cause it's what they can afford.

Not saying that's the only reason they wear it, but just saying remember that it's probably a big reason. So easy solution is just cut the cost of low level gear so they can actually afford it and put more of it up. And you also have to admit that optimal rank gear is nice just for the sake that you can try things on to see if you want it down the road. Like for example I would get gear from leves that would be a higher rank, but I put it on to see if I like that color on my character. So I personaly would like to keep crafted gear at optimal rank and just have NM drops or Raid gear be a required rank kind of thing.

Yeah, for me I try to use gear near my level, but it's hard at times considering I primarily play a Lancer, which means there's very few people actually trading or making the gear for them (there seems to be little overlap between LNC, GRD, and GLD assigned armors...). But I have bought items above my optimal rank when they were at bargain prices. :3

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Originally Posted by Val_Rhys

While I agree a lot could be done to salvage the current system to make it better, more needs to change than simply making the stats visible when using gear below the optimal rank.

Dread has posted a few examples above. I posted this before but will reiterate: Dodore Doublet (r48) is better than Canvas Doublet (r26) at r30 on the favoured classes (didn't check the unfavoured). That is absurd and needs to be reduced. If they want to keep the optimal rank system, I think everyone should be able to agree that the rank in which the higher rank gear becomes better than the "appropriate" rank gear needs to be much higher. That is, the penalty for using gear higher than your rank needs to be much greater. There's virtually no purpose to a HUGE amount of gear currently ingame.

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That just doesn't make sense. At r30 wearing r48 gear... that's just a big HELL NO. It shouldn't work like that unless you get really gimped on your stats.

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Originally Posted by Arximiro

I'm not reading all this, but just wanted to add my complete and utter agreement that all gear should have required classes and rank.

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I agree also! Not to try and re-live the past but I made a thread earlier this year asking for this along with other things. With all the newly announced things about to hit it seems my thread had some relevance after all.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ter-Separation

Ok, I understand where people are cumming from when they say the equipment to be limited to class and rank. Think about it though SE is not able to give us more space for our equipment. So how would we be able to carry all that stuff, not to mention I do not want to have to sift through fifty things to find the crafting stuff I need.

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Originally Posted by bluemoonwolf

Ok, I understand where people are cumming from when they say the equipment to be limited to class and rank. Think about it though SE is not able to give us more space for our equipment. So how would we be able to carry all that stuff, not to mention I do not want to have to sift through fifty things to find the crafting stuff I need.

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Gobbie Bag quests. Lrn2manageinventory. And you already need to do that if you have multiple crafts ranked up.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Lrn2manageinventory.

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and there is the elite-ism rearing it's head.