Thanks for making Second Coil more accessible

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Originally Posted by Gardes

What practice? You dont need to practice t6-8 anymore. ...

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Funny thing is I have more experience in T9 than T8. But in any case I was getting mroe practice in T8 last night, and people still wipe and people need practice. It is was learning/clear party with some guys that had cleared before calling out stuff on mumble. But people still don't see or know where all the mines went. It will take practice. It is a blatant lie to say it does NOT take practice.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Here's my verdict:

T6 - Good to see the instakill mechanics removed. Having that goddamn hornet follow you into Phase 3 because someone didn't remove honey was total BS. Or the instakill Blighted Bouquet. Or those stupid slugs.

Because "stop attacking" was such a hard mechanic.....


T7 - Still a reasonable challenge. Instakill petrification was ABSOLUTE BS. The way it was, one accidental petrification on a tank or healer would end up costing the fight. Now it's just more of an annoyance and easily healed through

............................ So it is a mechanic that doesn't matter... Yep nothing wrong with that. You can literally straight ignore shrieks now because it literally doesn't matter one way or another.

T8 - Still a challenge. I attempted this for the first time only yesterday because I wasn’t able to clear T5 in time to get into all the practice parties the elitists had when T8 originally came out and when they evaporated. I was able to get Avatar within 1%. So close, yet so far. But it’s great to finally get some practice which is apparently too much for some people on this forum.

1st attempt.. 1% either you got carried HARD or it's horribly undertuned. No fight should be almost beaten in 1 pull.

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This post just affirms how ridiculous you sounded when this thread was started.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

T8 - Still a challenge.
I attempted this for the first time only yesterday
I was able to get Avatar within 1%.

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How is turn 8 still a challenge if...

1. You had never done T8 prior to the patch
2. You got it to 1% on the FIRST TRY

From what I've noticed since all the nerfs, the pure amount of effort that I've had to exert in second coil has been stunning.

T6 - Normally something I can breeze through is demanding so much healing attention even when there's no message that someone is new. They just do whatever and eat the damage.

T7 - Oh? You don't care if you get stoned anymore? Sure, awesome, great. I'm happy for you. But ya know, try not to stone me every five seconds. Try not to Voice Melusine either. Healing EVERYONE while she has three stacks AND tossing out fireballs at anyone cause there's too many ranged is awesome.
Oh? No kiter? Do ALL your normal healing things, combined with four stacks, AND kite and freeze your own renauds. Cause yeah, you're a sch.

So yeah, I'm happy that it's made it more accessible for new people, who I already will have to heal more (I'm fine with this. They will learn)...but I'm super happy for the people who have already cleared it and were terrible or are now lazy. Basically for every group I find that's good/decent there's five more that just don't give two shits about mechanics and expect me to heal through it all.

Ps. I have no idea why healers have been coming into T7 lately with Wave weapons. That's all I've been seeing and it's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Niasha

How is turn 8 still a challenge if...

1. You had never done T8 prior to the patch
2. You got it to 1% on the FIRST TRY

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People's 10th try still don't get to 1%. You have to be lucky to get a group of 7 vets that know what their doing to get that 1% on the first try. This is such a statistical outlier. I was trying T8 for the second time last night, and we can't get past 55% before the healers asked to leave because he was getting frustrated after the 5th wipe. People were being nice to help give us scrubs and noobs a chance to learn, so you can't force them to stay. But it is not 1% on the first try for 99.99% of the players out there.

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Originally Posted by Niasha

How is turn 8 still a challenge if...

1. You had never done T8 prior to the patch
2. You got it to 1% on the FIRST TRY

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What I meant was that I got Avatar to 1% after my first solid day of trying. The point was that I could try and try again to my heart's content instead of waiting for practice groups that never fill up. I won 1 battle out of 15 tries or so.

T8 is still pretty hard. The main issue is groups dying to either 1) slow healing or inadequate healing during towers or 2) Ballistic Missile. There's also a fair bit of coordination involved with towers. The most successful groups have someone who has a macro that calls out the tower sequencing order and landmine countdown.

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Originally Posted by Niasha

How is turn 8 still a challenge if...

1. You had never done T8 prior to the patch
2. You got it to 1% on the FIRST TRY

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Note that the OP's sever is Tonberry. We generally have a better DF experience than most other servers (hear say anyway).

I don't think it's unlikely that OP got to 1% on first try without any prior T8 experience. In fact, I did Ramuh EX about 4 weeks ago, got him to 1% on my first try too, despite having not tried doing Ramuh EX or reading any guides/watching any videos too. I know that it's sorta apples and oranges comparing Ramuh EX and T8 but point is that even challenging content can be cleared quite easily in DF on Tonberry.

The biggest problem whenever it comes to DF is always finding 7 other competent players who know what they're doing. On our server, this doesn't seem to be a very big issue, as most players I run into on DF are very competent/good players. Despite having a higher skilled DF base than most others, OP still only ended up clearing 1 out of 15 T8 attempts on the DF.

I haven't tried T6 post-nerf, but T7 post-nerf can still be a pain when you get stuff like 3 NIN/1 BRD parties (Melusine starts throwing Circle of Flame on the healers instead due to having no second ranged DPS), being Petrified during the Deathdancers phase, etc.

The difficulty has been lowered, but it's still not exactly a 100% clear without a static/farming party.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

instead of waiting for practice groups that never fill up.

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Stop repeating this lie. Tonberry practice groups fill extremely quickly. Especially when you consider 50% of the server is Japanese

Was Turn 7 nerfed into the ground? Of course it was. And I'm glad for it, because that encounter was ultimately terribly designed (if great for comedy wipes), gave me war veteran-esque Sindragosa flashbacks and the resultant shakes, and may also have left me permanently infertile. That encounter deserved every single thing it got.

Turn 8 is still plenty hard, too - it lost a grand total of one instant-death mechanic. It is still entirely possible to wipe if you have plenty of new folks.

If anything is overnerfed, it's poor Raffles. I'm all for helping lower-skill player catch up, but this is just sad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43W_C1RwZL0

I for one am glad to be able to catch up as a casual.
IS it still challenging? Somewhat due to DF players not know what htey get themselves into.

wiped so many times in all turns but hell thats what learning helps prevent..

Tired of seeing all the somewhat "Hardcore" folks crying about the nerfs. ITS DONE aint going back get used to it you knew it was coming.