2.4 SMN Class Issues

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Originally Posted by Dinocat

By nature of the class, if there were 2 bosses of equal health on 2 sides of the room, which allowed for SMN to put full strength DoTs on both, in effect this could result in the SMN being top DPS for that specific encounter. However, is this not the nature of the encounter as opposed to the nature of the class? [No such fight exists at this time.]

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Technically it does, just not for anything anyone cares about: Leviathan Extreme. Even with the fact that the Tail reflects back onto you, and only double DoTing when you can Bane onto the Tail (so you just get a single reflect), SMN pretty much destroys any other dps due to this and rolling DoTs while Leviathan was off the boat. If you decide to pain your healer, it gets even more intense. If most/every endgame encounter was set up like Leviathan, SMNs would be shining gods of damage.

The reality is that it seems these days, melee dps wreck everything (particularly MNK+NIN), and it's everyone else who is more severely punished for moving around and whatnot. The less adds there are, the less exciting any kind of caster dps "feels" these days. I'd happily have the roles become more complex (BLM in particular is super easy to play, which makes it even more alarming how many poor BLMs are out there) to have a shot at doing competitive dps on single target. Being a caster (or a WHM!) is pretty amazing dps in Syrcus Tower, but less exciting when dealing with only a single target with minimal or nonexistent adds.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

I didn't say summoner was not capable on T10 at all but that a BLM is outdoing in all situations per mana.
Double Flares and Fire IIs give the same numbers with less constraints.

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We usually do 5 stacks on the first add phase and 8 on the second, if that gives a good representation of the group DPS.

Sometimes I cut it close to DOT the MT Sister in order to Bane it to the Brother before the sister dies now that everyone is getting more used to the fight. (we kill OT adds first)
This gives me two full sets of dots on OT adds + 1 full set on OT Brother (3 sets), then a full set of Contagion'd Dots on MT adds + 1/2 on the sister and full on the Brother.

So in total 7.5 sets.

I don't find T10 Mana intensive at all. So far I'm pushing close to 500 DPS and could do the entire fight without Ballad. I might start to use Blizz II on some of the adds to push even higher during those add phases.

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What is your gear, Judge Xero? On pretty perfect runs on my BLM with LB3 on adds I usually get around 420 DPS. I have played with good Summoners as well and excuse me for doubting, but near 500 DPS on T10 as a Summoner without mana support. I'm going to put this bluntly. Provide concrete proof, or most people will think you're full of shit.

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

What is your gear, Judge Xero? On pretty perfect runs on my BLM with LB3 on adds I usually get around 420 DPS. I have played with good Summoners as well and excuse me for doubting, but near 500 DPS on T10 as a Summoner without mana support. I'm going to put this bluntly. Provide concrete proof, or most people will think you're full of shit.

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Was actually thinking that lol. Was looking into how to make a quality video. It's one thing to math it out, but in practice it doesn't always work the same.

I will see if I have the hardware to record/game. Not sure if there would be an issue with 1440p resolution.

Edited: Here's the gear I was wearing http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/OLCU

Most people saying they do 500 dps on a Summoner for FCOB don't back it up with damage meters. On damage meters for T10 the Elite Summoners do around 420 dps while the Average Summoners do 320-340 Dps.

Not very into pokemon but used Arcanist for a bit and certainly could feel the MP issues had I go into a more taxing environment than I did...

I think it would be awesome if:

- Energy Drain could only be used while Aetherflow stacks are active (already does, duh)
- Energy Drain did not consume the Aetherflow stacks.
- Energy Drain had a CD of 60 to 120 seconds.
+ Energy Drain had an MP recovery rate of 10 + 10 * Aetherflow stacks % (for a max of 40%) of the user's maximum MP.
+ Or Energy Drain had a MP recovery boost of damage done * 100 * Aetherflow stacks % (instead of only a 50% of the damage done)

This idea under the objective of attaining a roughly self MP sustain of 8~10 minutes, while still being mindful of one self mana, the proper rotation of this skill and removing the hindrance impeding the use of the so desired Fester skill.
Just dreaming here tho.

They aren't going to do anything to the Summoner until 3.0 and seeing how both Lady Iceheart during the Shiva quest line and Louisoix in FCOB Turn 3 revealed another art of summoning Primals by taking their essence and embodying the Primals form. I'm guessing SE is just going to give the Summoner a summoning arts skill line and the ability to summon the Primals by taking on their form.

500 DPS with the book of spades? You're full of it ;)

I find near 500 pretty farfetched, yeah. I've finished slightly higher than 480 as BLM while doing LB3 (as in not counting LB3's damage; otherwise only slight room for improvement or requiring one hell of a run proc-wise), but I also had i130 weapon and Selene.

I don't think SMN can win in T10 unless BLM gets victimized multiple times, in which situation a SMN is better than BLM.

Well I was iLVL 113 with HA staff and no pentamelded gear either. So I can probably push it to around 450-460 with 130 staff and a bit more gear. Obviously some more experience would be great too. Not sure if Selene was there too and I don't get Battlevoiced Requiems. I am going to try and record our kill next week, Sleigh. Any chance of you looking at it and give me some hints? Also, I use a controller but it's not an obstacle at all.