Voting with my wallet

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Originally Posted by Felessan

Vanity was a privileged thing almost from the start, many of vanity/rare minions are completely outside of mass-market affordability, And from this point it's no better than having them in a cash shop, at least people will pay SE directly and not RMT to get gil to obtain rare fancy item.
I think that having a luxury market is a very good for ff14, but it's really are the same as cash shop - it's make some items inaccessible if you just play casually and don't invest heavily in game, be it whether additional real money or excessive time/efforts for ingame moneymaking.

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In other words, whenever there is a failing in the game, the solution is not to make the game better but to expect the players to pay extra money to attain their in-game goals. You are asking for gindy gameplay to remain grindy, unaffordable items to remain unaffordable, and an endgame market you call "the same as cash shop" to simply remain the status quo. So, the only people who can flourish in FFXIV are the top minority of hardcore players, and those who blow extra cash in the shop. That is what you are advocating?

I would rather SE had an actual motivation to improve the game, not just sell us the cure to a disease they created.

Yup the alarmists are sill here.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

And I don't like how you compare the bonus items to cash shop ones.

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Please, explain the difference between upgrading to the digital collector's edition and buying from the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Please, explain the difference between upgrading to the digital collector's edition and buying from the cash shop.

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Honestly there is not much differance, but what's your point? It doesn't mean "the "digital CE" didn't make me raise an eyebrow lol It actually did hint for me that SE is "testing the waters" concerning cash shop, if anything. Of course, I didn't support it. I actually thought it was a one-time thing, but seeing as the Cash station is going to be expanded upon and most of the players supporting it do so because the stuff in there don't really interest them and they won't have to pay extra for it, are pretty selfish, and I just point that out and voice my concern.

I wonder if the exp boosting head gear will be purchasable via chash shop eventually?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if the exp boosting head gear will be purchasable via chash shop eventually?

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The one that only gives 20% boost to exp when below level 25?

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if the exp boosting head gear will be purchasable via chash shop eventually?

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Would be a smart idea to give the option to players who didn't opt for a premium purchase at the start.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I wonder if the exp boosting head gear will be purchasable via chash shop eventually?

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The Garlond Goggles? Yes please! D: I've wanted them for vanity for a while. I never see anyone selling the code on eBay anymore. >___>

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Originally Posted by drivendawn

Yup the alarmists are sill here.

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Yep. For a lot of these people, nothing that will be said or done will be good enough until Square Enix scraps the entire cash shop based on their ignorant preconceived notions that are devoid of logic.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

In other words, whenever there is a failing in the game, the solution is not to make the game better but to expect the players to pay extra money to attain their in-game goals. You are asking for gindy gameplay to remain grindy, unaffordable items to remain unaffordable, and an endgame market you call "the same as cash shop" to simply remain the status quo. So, the only people who can flourish in FFXIV are the top minority of hardcore players, and those who blow extra cash in the shop. That is what you are advocating?

I would rather SE had an actual motivation to improve the game, not just sell us the cure to a disease they created.

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Not that I am for an everything must be a grind kind of game but removing too many grinds is a dangerous thing to do in MMOs. Remove the carrot from the stick and people have no motivation to keep playing. And the rest of your points, still based on appealing to emotions with a side of strawman and hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

That can be said on P2W kind of shop too. Invest more money instead of time/efforts for ingame power. That way power is accesible for those investing time in game and the casuals "investing time working irl(?)" lol

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Not really, because P2W allows to buy a direct product of efforts and thus allow real-life rich to skip player tiers and attains statuses for which they do not qualify in-game. Vanity shop only allow to buy byproducts - you can't really buy wealth for real money (officially) and thus you are limited in choices.
If you can buy stats - it's directly translates into power and thus affecting the whole part of gameplay that depends on power. Buying vanity for real money does not gives you "buying power" in game - you can't change 3 minions for a new in-game mount and 7 minion for a house.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

In other words, whenever there is a failing in the game, the solution is not to make the game better but to expect the players to pay extra money to attain their in-game goals. You are asking for gindy gameplay to remain grindy, unaffordable items to remain unaffordable, and an endgame market you call "the same as cash shop" to simply remain the status quo.

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Its not a failing. It keeps economy active and running, provides some downflow of money from rich to mainstream crowd, puts a motivation goals for many who wants to obtain this rare items and it put some light into the life of hardcore crafters/gatherers/merchants/enterpreneurs who like to earn money and want something fancy to spend on those tens of millions they have.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

So, the only people who can flourish in FFXIV are the top minority of hardcore players, and those who blow extra cash in the shop. That is what you are advocating?

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The whole idea that everything should be presented to you on a silver plate is just beyond my reach. In-game luxury is similar for real-world concepts - they cultivates talent.
And cash shop is just an ability to get a missed opportunity and some of fancy items for those who wants fashion but not able to do it in-game due to various reasons. It doesn't provide a power of wealth as "real-money fancy items" are not the same as usual items used for displaying your wealth status (bluebird and nutkin are not on the list for cash shop)