Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

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Originally Posted by Elim

No I'm not. You're deciding that there is some sort of hidden meaning behind my words. Either way, I'm correcting you now by saying that it doesn't say or mean that. It means exactly what it says.

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And you mean that 100% of the time it is newbies being mean, because it is you qualify it with exactly nothing. You don't say rarely, you don't say 50% of the time or anything. It just say "from your experience" without any definition or qualification as to what that means. In short there is no misinterpretation of your attempt to blame the OP.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

New players and veteran players can both be rude, defensive and jerks.
..... So can we please put an end to this back and forth argument as it is hijacking this thread.

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This is the false equivalence trap that you've got tricked into. Yes the both can happens, but odds of it happening is like 500 (experienced players cussing out new players, especially speed runner) to 1 (the nutty new player who thinks too highly of themselves.) The two are side are NOT remotely equal.

Irresponsible blanket statements like that is unfair and unjust and is really mean to OP.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

And you mean that 100% of the time it is newbies being mean, because it is you qualify it with exactly nothing. You don't say rarely, you don't say 50% of the time or anything. It just say "from your experience" without any definition or qualification as to what that means. In short there is no misinterpretation of your attempt to blame the OP.

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As I said I didn't blame the OP. If you're bent on wanting to believe that then there is nothing more to say. lol

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Um... You are aware that Lodestone won't show you people's dungeon gear, right? It shows what people logged out in, which generally means whatever cosmetic gear they wear around town. Now, it does sound like Jonik may indeed be undergeared, but you were being awfully presumptuous to just assume that would be the case. Of course, not everyone will have separate cosmetic sets they wear just in open-world content, but it's pretty common (particularly pre-50 when glamour isn't available).

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Actually it's pretty uncommon, I doubt more than 10% of the playerbase switches to town clothes and removes their accessories before they log out. It also doesn't display the gear that you logged out with but the gear you were wearing when the site last refreshed.

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Originally Posted by Riviere

...It also doesn't display the gear that you logged out with but the gear you were wearing when the site last refreshed.

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It doesn't matter what gear they got. Leveling up to 50 the first time, whoever it is, if no one is helping you, you are going to be undergeared for that first run at any dungeon. That is why you are going into the dungeon to get geared up. People can not afford to be ripped off on the MB over and over on their way to their first 50, nor do any of the NPC sell anything worth darn and NPC items will never be better than dungeon loot. People getting upset at other not being geared is just people being mean to new players without justification. Everyone was under geared at one time.

Funny thing is people will tell the new players useless advice like "get geared" in dungeon when that can't fix anything that run, and at the same time need and greed everything and denying the new player the gear they need.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

This is the false equivalence trap that you've got tricked into. Yes the both can happens, but odds of it happening is like 500 (experienced players cussing out new players, especially speed runner) to 1 (the nutty new player who thinks too highly of themselves.) The two are side are remotely equal.

Irresponsible blanket statements like that is unfair and unjust and is really mean to OP.

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You are being awfully selective regarding what I said, so much so that you actually edited out the part where I stated that neither all new players or all veterans are jerks and a persons experience with these groups of players will vary.
That seems like a fairly open-ended statement with lots of room for variation.

Also, I have not been tricked by anything. I know the generalized breakdown of veterans being nasty vs. new players being nasty, just like I know that doing a side by side comparison is not necessarily going to yield decisive results since there are more elements to take into account such as the percentage of new players vs. veteran players as a whole, how one chooses to define whether a player is new or not (new to the game, new to the content, etc.).

Simply put my statement was laying out that both sides are neither fully right nor fully wrong and that jerks will exist within either group. Things are not black and white with this and really everyone should just try to be a nicer more understanding person.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

... where I stated that neither all new players or all veterans are jerks and a persons experience with these groups of players will vary.
That seems like a fairly open-ended statement with lots of room for variation.

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But the variation is not a 50/50 split down the middle. That is the false equivalence that the "variation" misleads. It is more like 500 to 1, where speed runner are berating anyone else that isn't geared enough, or experienced enough to do the speed runs.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

It doesn't matter what gear they got. Leveling up to 50 the first time, whoever it is, if no one is helping you, you are going to be undergeared for that first run at any dungeon. That is why you are going into the dungeon to get geared up. People can not afford to be ripped off on the MB over and over on their way to their first 50, nor do any of the NPC sell anything worth darn and NPC items will never be better than dungeon loot. People getting upset at other not being geared is just people being mean to new players without justification. Everyone was under geared at one time.

Funny thing is people will tell the new players useless advice like "get geared" in dungeon when that can't fix anything that run, and at the same time need and greed everything and denying the new player the gear they need.

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What does this has anything to do with what I said?

Elim, when you say "only" new players are the bad ones in your first comment in this thread then try to hide behind "in my experience..." your fooling noone.

If you have leveled to 50 to make such a claim that throughout that 1-50 multiplied by five times in your case for DoW/DoM classes...that you never had older vet players being the bad ones of which in your own words claimed is "only the new players" being the bad ones is simply a lie, no mistaking it just a blatant lie yet you seem confused why people are calling you out on it.

None here believe you and rightly so because everyone knows from experience even leveling just one DoW/DoM to 50 that it is mostly the older veteran players with already at least one level 50 class type that generally are the rude and impatient ones in dungeons. Your claim which everyone has been arguing with you about is not just unbelievable but is clearly misleading and a lie in order to deflect blame from vets to new players.

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Originally Posted by Riviere

What does this has anything to do with what I said?

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Are you supporting someone that accused the OP for being lazy because they weren't geared?
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for reference see:

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Originally Posted by ispano

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I checked your character...gear update is need. your left side is ok ok, but your right side....are you lazy ?

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which lead to:

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Um... You are aware that Lodestone won't show you people's dungeon gear, right?...

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Why is that quote being appropriated to ispano? lol

That's Schneibel's post.