Market Wards vs AH

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Which doesn't really answer the question, does it?

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Youre right, was speed reading, I would redirect any resources. I see this as a fundamental component of the game that needs to be fixed before pretty much anything (along with the implementation of a mail system and a better lfg system). Followed closely by in game travel and then content should be added (quests, dungeons etc).

If these core components are not implemented, the console market will not embrace this game and it will fail.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

Their existing game FFXI - AH is fine.

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Really now. Too bad the FFXI's AH is what completely destroyed the economy, caused the biggest inflation in the history of MMORPGs, and left complete free reign to gillsellers and farmers.

Yeah, really a good, solid base to work upon.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

Abriel,

You cannot argue with the masses, the systems you are describing, and solutions you are suggesting, all end up in the same outcome - players continue to be frustrated with the economic systems of this game. The outcry is massive, the people have spoken in their droves, the critics have cited it, mmo fans and ff fans alike have beaten the drum and there is a resounding tone form all these sources. The Market wards in their current form, even with a search feature, are convaluted and unwanted by most.

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Of course you can argue with the masses. The masses are normally massively ignorant, and the critics aren't normally much better (if not worse).

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Bring it on I say, change is good, they could wipe Gridania tomorrow and replace it just with an AH and i would subscribe to this game for life. :p

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Change is good when it doesn't take up precious development time and resources that would be better allocated elsewhere, to create a redundant system to fuel the ego of the ignorant masses.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Do you really think they could just port all that over? Do you think they would? I doubt it.

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They could of course. Will they? probably not. But they could use it for a model very easily. Its their game, their code, its been successful for 6years (or is it 8 cant remember), they know it works, they know what they can do in FFXIV with increased memory. I see no reason why they could not use core objects in the code and build the program up around it.

Hell that's what programmers do a lot of the time. Programming is a lot more "hack and slash" than people believe, when you have millions of lines of code to write, damn straight your gonna template existing material to cut down on the work, and then plug it into your existing architecture. Thats how programming is done every day around the world, we evolve and tinker with existing programs. Game systems arent written from scratch as much as people think.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

Youre right, was speed reading, I would redirect any resources. I see this as a fundamental component of the game that needs to be fixed before pretty much anything (along with the implementation of a mail system and a better lfg system). Followed closely by in game travel and then content should be added (quests, dungeons etc).

If these core components are not implemented, the console market will not embrace this game and it will fail.

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bad excuse based on a flawed knowledge of the market.

The vast majority of console gamers have very little experience of MMORPGs. They are much less demanding and have a LOT less prejudice created by system present in previous MMORPG games.

If the game had been released on PS3 only first, you can be pretty much sure that they would have accepted it and it's system much easier than PC gamers with all their prejudices created by previous games.

And "any" is still not an answer. But it shows how much your priorities are skewed by prejudices. An AH will do you real good if you have nothing to do in the game. I'm sure you'll have real fun playing with the little numbers.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Really now. Too bad the FFXI's AH is what completely destroyed the economy, caused the biggest inflation in the history of MMORPGs, and left complete free reign to gillsellers and farmers.

Yeah, really a good, solid base to work upon.



Of course you can argue with the masses. The masses are normally massively ignorant, and the critics aren't normally much better (if not worse).



Change is good when it doesn't take up precious development time and resources that would be better allocated elsewhere, to create a redundant system to fuel the ego of the ignorant masses.

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OK you make me laugh.

Youre right everyone else in the world is ignorant and wrong because they dont agree with your point of view.

Whether you like it or not, millions of people were stoked and excited for FFXIV then it launched to (checks metacritic) critical averages for 49% and user averages of 38%.

A lot of the causes for concern were, lack of mail system, lack of AH, lack of transport. Lack of content was there too but people were more disgusted that a AAA Final Fantasy numbered title was missing so many basic core components that western and eastern gamers considered fundamental to a modern MMO.

Because of that big changes are coming. You had your content in the way of "sidequests" (lol) and they will now be turning this game on its head for a reboot and relaunch come PS3 launch time.

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

Youre right everyone else in the world is ignorant and wrong because they dont agree with your point of view.

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No, they are because they know nothing of game development, resource allocation and priorities.

The fact that you use metacritic (lol) just shows how weak your arguments are. "I'm right because I'm in the majority!" Has never been a solid way to conduct a discussion.

Big changes are coming, but If I were you, I'd wait to see it befoe assuming that they are the changes YOU want.

OK signing off now you have run out of constructive argument to rebuke my points. You obviously know everything about MMO's and the console mmo market i stand corrected.

Any is an answer, I am telling you all resources should be put in this direction. Understand now? /yawn

Frankly now i read back all of your points, you show your ignorance to the problems of this game more than I had realised.

You think your an expert, but listen to the majority of GAMERS on this thread and others. They are unhappy with the games core. And thats why its gonna change, and i dont think your gonna like it. Seeya

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Originally Posted by Spellstar

They could of course. Will they? probably not. But they could use it for a model very easily. Its their game, their code, its been successful for 6years (or is it 8 cant remember), they know it works, they know what they can do in FFXIV with increased memory. I see no reason why they could not use core objects in the code and build the program up around it.

Hell that's what programmers do a lot of the time. Programming is a lot more "hack and slash" than people believe, when you have millions of lines of code to write, damn straight your gonna template existing material to cut down on the work, and then plug it into your existing architecture. Thats how programming is done every day around the world, we evolve and tinker with existing programs. Game systems arent written from scratch as much as people think.

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I don't think they could port but they could use it as a model for building one in FFXIV. Would it be bugged to hell? Yes. Would it be slow and cumbersome? Yes. Would it likely crash? Yes. Would it likely be missing some features? Yes. We would in essence likely be where we were 4 months ago but with an AH instead.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The fact that you use metacritic (lol) just shows how weak your arguments are. "I'm right because I'm in the majority!" Has never been a solid way to conduct a discussion.

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OK baited to one last retort.

Metacritic (lol)? what are you 10 ? I used Metacritic to make a point they gather up the socres of the most popular websites critiques and average them out. The Metacritic scores i posted are based on 25 reviews form sites such as Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN etcetc.

Are you laughing at my use of Metacritic because it is not a fair view of the consensus of this game? Because that average score isnt far wrong.

You know what dont answer that I dont care.

Man, your an idiot.

Maybe it's just me, but the Market Wards already are an AH. SE intended to use them in a different way, but after all the moaning they almost mutilated it to keep players from leaving. Still demanding an AH is kind of funny, as we already have it.
Well, that's just my 2 cents anyway.