Tanking Discussion, not a "VS" forum

[KataroCerb]

All these statements refer to outside of abyssea, inside abyssea the rules are drastically different. In abyssea its mainly all about maximizing damage and having enough healing.

Not to call u dumb or say your topic is mute, but there are no miss-conceived notions on why certain jobs are better tanks than others. There are factual things that back this up. Nin is best on low defense and mainly non magic based mobs just cause of the FACTS that nin isnt the greatest damage dealer so when a mob has lower defense we can increase our damage output and still have other tools for keeping hate. NIN sucks with most magic based mobs cause they just eat our shadows to fast and we have no survivability at that point.

PLD is best for super hard hitting mobs and magic based mobs because they dont have to worry about shadows to mitigate damage and cause of all the -PDT and -MDT gear they have at their disposal.

Personally I'd like to see some more talk about taking in general and less about why people think certain jobs are better than others for whatever miss-conceived reason.

If you don't know how to tank or the fundamentals of tanking by now, us talking about it is not going to help you.

[Patriclis]

Not to call u dumb or say your topic is mute, but there are no miss-conceived notions on why certain jobs are better tanks than others. There are factual things that back this up. Nin is best on low defense and mainly non magic based mobs just cause of the FACTS that nin isnt the greatest damage dealer so when a mob has lower defense we can increase our damage output and still have other tools for keeping hate. NIN sucks with most magic based mobs cause they just eat our shadows to fast and we have no survivability at that point.

PLD is best for super hard hitting mobs and magic based mobs because they dont have to worry about shadows to mitigate damage and cause of all the -PDT and -MDT gear they have at their disposal.

Firstly while I agree that certain jobs have the POTENTIAL to be better tanking certain mobs than other jobs, that does not mean that everyone of that job beats anyone else playing another job, simply due to the fact that people's gear will always differ from person to person (and you can't just assume that EVERY paladin out there has phys- MDT- MDB- and other such things capped, because as sad as it is the majority of players in this game have fairly lackluster gear, and also lack the skill to be able to use the right gear properly.). Hence the point of my post is to talk about general tanking gear, strategies, and providing insightful knowledge on how to properly tank, and use said gear, rather then saying "Oh well for this fight PLD is better so if you have PLD then you can win." because frankly that just brings about the notion that an AF geared PLD can beat out a perfectly good NIN on a certain fight simply because he's a PLD.

If you don't know how to tank or the fundamentals of tanking by now, us talking about it is not going to help you.

The point of this thread isn't for myself but for people in general. Frankly I shy away from any forum when asking any question about FFXI mechanics in general since 99% of the replies you're going to get are people re-spouting crap that they read from some persons testing that was done forever and a day ago. I prefer to test out and come up with solutions to problems for myself, and as such don't really have any need to hear other people talk about it, nor do i require any help in that area.

Because most people look at the roles of jobs in one dimensional view almost everything. If one job does it better then to the community, it's assumed that that job is the only one suited. Anything less is undesirable or "gimp", doesn't matter if they're capable or not.

Have to admit that's fairly accurate. Sad but true.

[Nightfyre]

Nin is best on low defense and mainly non magic based mobs just cause of the FACTS that nin isnt the greatest damage dealer so when a mob has lower defense we can increase our damage output and still have other tools for keeping hate.

I must have missed the part where other hate tools were remotely relevant in situations where you can achieve decent damage output.