Get rid of 8 hour windows for Notorious Monsters

[Camiie]

If it's not fun, and this is a game (as opposed to your job or other responsibility) why are you doing it?

You should read to the end of a post:

I'm not saying there's no fun in FFXI, but it certainly seems to be an afterthought especially where high-end or endgame content is concerned.

There are aspects of the game I enjoy. This is not one of them. Now, I know what you'll say, "If you don't want to do it then don't!" Ah, but at some point if you want to improve your character, you have little choice. And to me that's what the RPG in MMORPG is all about; improving your character. My point is, why can't we improve our characters, even to the highest of the high end AND have fun doing it? Why can't it be both? In fact it SHOULD be both. If it's not, it's missing the point entirely.

Should it be a progressively challenging process? Sure! Should it be tedious? Only if you're really bad at it.

[Zarchery]

There are aspects of the game I enjoy. This is not one of them. Now, I know what you'll say, "If you don't want to do it then don't!" Ah, but at some point if you want to improve your character, you have little choice. And to me that's what the RPG in MMORPG is all about; improving your character. My point is, why can't we improve our characters, even to the highest of the high end AND have fun doing it? Why can't it be both? In fact it SHOULD be both. If it's not, it's missing the point entirely.

Should it be a progressively challenging process? Sure! Should it be tedious? Only if you're really bad at it.

The thing is, you need bottlenecks like this or else you blast through everything too quickly and are left bored saying "What now?" I'm seeing a lot of this with the backlash against the expansion of Voidwatch. Abyssea made everything too easy. People blasted through all that too quickly, and now complain that Voidwatch is too hard or too boring. Grind slowly or progress too rapidly and end up bored; pick your poison.

[FrankReynolds]

The thing is, you need bottlenecks like this or else you blast through everything too quickly and are left bored saying "What now?" I'm seeing a lot of this with the backlash against the expansion of Voidwatch. Abyssea made everything too easy. People blasted through all that too quickly, and now complain that Voidwatch is too hard or too boring. Grind slowly or progress too rapidly and end up bored; pick your poison.

They could have made the bottleneck into: Kill X amount of this mob, or Do blah blah blah, or complete this quest etc.

Standing around is just that. If thats really all they want, why not just have the moogle say "ok, you have activated trial 68. Come back in 4 days to complete it."

That way you could still play the game while wasting the prerequisite amount of time, instead of just standing there.

You only need 30 coins per weapon. I'm usually done with the NM part of the trial in a few days or so. You can solo some empyreans but it takes FOREVER that way. I know some people who solo/soloed em. Also it takes way more effort put into and time. TO ME they are not worth it, especially if you are like me and hardly ever play the jobs you are farming one for. If you play the job a lot then by all means farm an empyrean. Kannagi/Almace is probably the easiest and less time consuming path to take. Chloris and Ulhushida are easy but damn Chloris is hell to farm. To each his own.

Yeah, the problem is that I only want to build 1, maybe 2 WOE weapons, and a Twashtar. So far getting the coins has been more of a pain than farming the items for the real weapon would have been. That would not be the case with twash, but......that's the one I'm definitely gonna make a real weapon. I Guess I'll find out when I get to the chloris stage.

[Olor]

Voidwatch is too hard or too boring. Grind slowly or progress too rapidly and end up bored; pick your poison.

Voidwatch IS NOT hard. I just tried it for the first time this week and I was astounded by the fact that if anything the NMs were easier than abyssea NMs (no brew), what with multiple proc freezing and temps out the arse

It is, in fact, boring to stand around waiting for people to get to the battlefield, however.

As for "progressing too fast" leaving people bored - that's bonkers. If people are running out of stuff to do in game they should probably just play less. The game shouldn't be designed to require you to play it like a full time job. It's simply not healthy - and will drive normal people with lives to games that don't punish you for having other things to do.

[Kimikryo]

The game shouldn't be designed to require you to play it like a full time job. It's simply not healthy - and will drive normal people with lives to games that don't punish you for having other things to do.

1000 times this

although it kinde feels this thread gos offtopic more and more

[FrankReynolds]

As for "progressing too fast" leaving people bored - that's bonkers. If people are running out of stuff to do in game they should probably just play less. The game shouldn't be designed to require you to play it like a full time job. It's simply not healthy - and will drive normal people with lives to games that don't punish you for having other things to do.

I would even settle for a full time job. Waiting on these lame NMS is more like sitting in traffic trying to get to work :P