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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    You didn't get the message, and you just proved you never will, in this case ignorance is bliss. for your sake, we'll just leave it here.

    now then..

    Tamas is 5 INT 5 MND 30 mp -3 enimity

    let's break it down.

    5 INT there are rings with 6-7 INT out 1 option is they are buyable, other option is they are free if you are lucky with gold chests, obviously the 6-7 is greater then the 5, so that just made the Stat parts of the ring comeplty useless.

    5 MND (see above) actutlly you can't get 6-7 MND rings in a chest but they aren't that expensive. (aqua ring for example)

    now with that out of the way let's look at the 30 mp. it's....30 mp.. their are NUMOUROUS rings that give way more then 30 mp and is cheap/easy to get namly bifrost ring. which is 70 mp. now most people with commen sense will realize 30 mp is pretty much useless the moment you cast a spell. unless you plan on standing there and refreshing it back, so that part is out.

    The last part the -3 enimity....

    seriously? do i even NEED to explain this part? if - enimity is truely that much of an issue troppers ring is -4 enimity and cost like 2k ISP or something. there is also a - 5 enimity ring (altho it has -4 mnd)

    so..all those stats are easily replaced with clearly superior choices.

    the ONLY reason you would get one is to save space. which is not really a valid reason to pick that ring for inferior stats. as the only useful thing you would get is the -3 enimity and 30 mp.

    So really. why exactly is this ring useful?
    I'll counter with Rajas's break down.

    STR +5
    For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

    DEX +5
    If you're going for crit damage on a job that doesn't rely on crit or low chance of crit damaging, why bother? ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

    Store TP +5
    This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

    Subtle Blow +5
    Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
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    Last edited by Soranika; 09-11-2011 at 01:16 AM. Reason: Left out notion on crit chance
    Main Job: SMN95 <Hvergelmir 85 obtained 9/10/11>
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    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    I'll counter with Rajas's break down.

    STR +5
    For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

    DEX +5
    If you're going for crit damage, ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

    Store TP +5
    This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

    Subtle Blow +5
    Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    It is clear you have no understanding in any way of meele jobs, there is no point in even trying with you anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    It is clear you have no understanding in any way of meele jobs, there is no point in even trying with you anymore.
    Because I use mage jobs, of course. However what am I gaining out of this is the same notion you have towards tamas ring. Rajas ring saves space on having to have other. Only other than that, the benefits can be felt across all melee jobs, however minuscule they may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Because I use mage jobs, of course. However what am I gaining out of this is the same notion you have towards tamas ring. Rajas ring saves space on having to have other. Only other than that, the benefits can be felt across all melee jobs, however minuscule they may be.
    serious question, is rosina your sister?, no really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    -_-....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    serious question, is rosina your sister?, no really.
    Gross!

    Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimikryo View Post
    If waiting 15 minutes is such an issue to you, I hope you never get stuck in public transport or in an elevator. You probably will go insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Gross!

    Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?

    ........SERIOSULY!? Yea, i'm done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    -_-....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    Gross!

    Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?
    How about it's the only ring with 5 STR/DEX/5SB/sTP, stats that you can't get anywhere else, because unlike Tamas, which can be outclassed because at this point -enmity isn't as big a deal as it used to be, and there are +7 MND/INT rings, which you dont fulltime on mages since you swap them out. You don't melee in str rings, or dex rings(unless you're really cheap or you can't possibly have anything better to equip.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    I'll counter with Rajas's break down.
    Store TP +5
    This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.
    Lol what did I just read?!?!
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    I know I'm a little late, but with BG crowd just not being helpful at all, I'll help you with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Soranika View Post
    STR +5
    For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

    DEX +5
    If you're going for crit damage on a job that doesn't rely on crit or low chance of crit damaging, why bother? ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.
    You are right, there are rings out there that have better than 5 STR and 5 DEX on them. But are there any rings out there that have better than both 5 STR and DEX on the same ring? You do know that Crit rate is effective with additional DEX, which is why people still use Byakko's Haidate even though there are better legs with additional Haste and accuracy on them.
    But neither of those stats are what makes the ring shine.
    Store TP +5
    This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.
    Ignoring the "even procs" part, Store TP helps turn an X hit build better. Can turn a 7 hit into a 6 hit and a 6 hit into a 5 hit.
    Subtle Blow +5
    Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.
    Subtle Blow is very helpful on feeding TP to the mob, which is VERY helpful for people who are tanking them mobs. Even when only 1 person is on the mob, the Subtle Blow effect can be noticeable when it comes to the number of cures needed to survive a fight.

    Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.
    Only if you have individual stats on Rajas. But since Rajas has STR, DEX, Store TP, and Subtle Blow all in one slot, that is what makes this ring shine into the best ring for actual melees. It encompasses attack, accuracy, crit hit rate, increase TP wield, decreased TP feed, and overall and outright damage delt to anything. Tamas increase the accuracy and, if done, damage delt to a mob from a magical source while not gaining much hate from doing so. MP+ is negotiable because nothing of value really costs less than 50 MP. Except Sleep and Stun.
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