The test server is more fun than the real game.

[Rearden]

5DEX is nearly always .5%~5% critical hit rate, math is fun.

Edit: Also, lol1hweaponsinVW

[Sparthos]

You missed the part where she said WHM main... where MND +5 and Enmity -3 would be more useful to the job used the most. Being WHM main and the frequent of WHM use in parties, I'm sure she's on WHM A LOT more than WAR.

If you want to determine how useful it really is, look at what they spend the most time on and be as effective in that area as possible.

Even with a WHM main, the Tamas is a poor choice in its current state.

Augmented Dark Rings as your idle rings are a better choice as the combination of PDT/MDT- can be useful in situations where you are forced to eat an AOE or two for the sake of utilizing Misery or putting up Barspells, a combination of MP rings like Bifrost + Serket is better if you want to max MP whore and 6-7MND rings are available and superior for feebs/cures.

All the Tamas does is save slots. The second you delve into DD classes, the Rajas just comes far and away the best choice you can utilize in that slot.

[Vortex]

Even with a WHM main, the Tamas is a poor choice in its current state.

Augmented Dark Rings as your idle rings are a better choice as the combination of PDT/MDT- can be useful in situations where you are forced to eat an AOE or two for the sake of utilizing Misery or putting up Barspells, a combination of MP rings like Bifrost + Serket is better if you want to max MP whore and 6-7MND rings are available and superior for feebs/cures.

All the Tamas does is save slots. The second you delve into DD classes, the Rajas just comes far and away the best choice you can utilize in that slot.

You're wasting your time trying to explain WHM to this person. it's a battle you won't win.

[Soranika]

You didn't get the message, and you just proved you never will, in this case ignorance is bliss. for your sake, we'll just leave it here.

now then..

Tamas is 5 INT 5 MND 30 mp -3 enimity

let's break it down.

5 INT there are rings with 6-7 INT out 1 option is they are buyable, other option is they are free if you are lucky with gold chests, obviously the 6-7 is greater then the 5, so that just made the Stat parts of the ring comeplty useless.

5 MND (see above) actutlly you can't get 6-7 MND rings in a chest but they aren't that expensive. (aqua ring for example)

now with that out of the way let's look at the 30 mp. it's....30 mp.. their are NUMOUROUS rings that give way more then 30 mp and is cheap/easy to get namly bifrost ring. which is 70 mp. now most people with commen sense will realize 30 mp is pretty much useless the moment you cast a spell. unless you plan on standing there and refreshing it back, so that part is out.

The last part the -3 enimity....

seriously? do i even NEED to explain this part? if - enimity is truely that much of an issue troppers ring is -4 enimity and cost like 2k ISP or something. there is also a - 5 enimity ring (altho it has -4 mnd)

so..all those stats are easily replaced with clearly superior choices.

the ONLY reason you would get one is to save space. which is not really a valid reason to pick that ring for inferior stats. as the only useful thing you would get is the -3 enimity and 30 mp.

So really. why exactly is this ring useful?

I'll counter with Rajas's break down.

STR +5
For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

DEX +5
If you're going for crit damage on a job that doesn't rely on crit or low chance of crit damaging, why bother? ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

Store TP +5
This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

Subtle Blow +5
Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.

[Vortex]

I'll counter with Rajas's break down.

STR +5
For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

DEX +5
If you're going for crit damage, ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

Store TP +5
This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

Subtle Blow +5
Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.

It is clear you have no understanding in any way of meele jobs, there is no point in even trying with you anymore.

[Soranika]

It is clear you have no understanding in any way of meele jobs, there is no point in even trying with you anymore.

Because I use mage jobs, of course. However what am I gaining out of this is the same notion you have towards tamas ring. Rajas ring saves space on having to have other. Only other than that, the benefits can be felt across all melee jobs, however minuscule they may be.

[Tamoa]

I'll counter with Rajas's break down.
Store TP +5
This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

Lol what did I just read?!?!

[Aver]

Store..TP.. proc?

So like just how haste takes time to proc right?

edit: Tamoa was faster on the draw.

[Neisan_Quetz]

ITT: StoreTP takes time to proc

[Soranika]

Meh, thinking of conserve mp. Whatever, my argument still stands.