Bard ~ Job Manifesto

[Asanarama]

Please don’t make massacre elegy relic-only. Relics are a mistake. Nothing should be set up so such a small % of a game’s population can afford it. That said, people who have put in the enormous effort to get a relic deserve to have it remain totally pimp as the level cap increases (relic horn should have had its +3 to songs trial when the first other +3 instruments came out), but if you do it by making that the only way to get massacre elegy, there will be rioting in the streets.

I really don’t like the phrasing they used when mentioning massacre elegy. I don’t like the idea of limiting things that way. For example, consider any item that only drops from an NM that shows up every few hours to every few days. That method controls the rate at which the item enters the world. I consider that to be a mistake. It should be about controlling the rate at which individual players can obtain items. If a lot of players are willing to put in the effort, then it’s ok for the rate at which that item enters the world to increase. People are putting in the effort and they deserve the reward. The fact that other people are interested in the same item should not make it harder to get. If I want to experience that, I can just pay a visit to the real world. That’s not how I want a game to be. Also, maybe the fact that fewer other people are interested in an item should not make it easier to get. I’m not saying I think everything in the game should be this way, but I wish more of it were. They way they worded the comment about massacre elegy has me worried that they’re going to handle it poorly. Although we might not be able to actually attack each other outside of Ballista and such events, make no mistake; FFXI is very PvP, more so than I care for.

[Asanarama]

We only get 1 pianissimo, and even if we got several we can't change the fact that we would be so busy getting all 5 seperate buffs done that we wouldn't have time to sleep, elegy, threnody and finale the mob.

Because of the speed at which we can do our songs now, even outside of abyssea, if they get rid of the cooldown on pianissimo, I actually don’t see this as being much of a problem, except vs opponents that dispel or dispelga a lot.

[detlef]

Please don’t make massacre elegy relic-only. Relics are a mistake. Nothing should be set up so such a small % of a game’s population can afford it. That said, people who have put in the enormous effort to get a relic deserve to have it remain totally pimp as the level cap increases (relic horn should have had its +3 to songs trial when the first other +3 instruments came out), but if you do it by making that the only way to get massacre elegy, there will be rioting in the streets.

I think you have to throw a bone to Ghorn owners. It's been getting kicked around a lot and deserves something unique and powerful.

[Glamdring]

The problem is this as far as massacre being G-horn only, almost all of our other songs are a multi-tier song, with a new tier gained as you level. Massacre is the next logical elegy in the leveling path and consistency would have all bards getting it at about 95-97.

If you want to throw G-horn owners a bone I would suggest a Stun+damage spell, something like Sound Blast as a name and put its damage in the realm of Holy II.

2nd option, "Cacaphony", AoE Raise/Reraise III (consider it an upgrade to Hymnus, specific to the fully upgraded G-horn).

3rd option, "Rally", a song that is cast on a player who has just used a JA (including 2-hour) that expands the effect of the JA to the rest of the party for the remainder of the time-or cast just before the JA is used to MAKE the JA AoE.

4th option, "Bedlam" a song that makes the prey it is cast on run in terror from all party members (like the anima back in Prommy).

5th option, G-horn can hit alliance members with songs, and is the only instrument that can.

Any of those would seem fair to me.

[Flionheart]

The problem is this as far as massacre being G-horn only, almost all of our other songs are a multi-tier song, with a new tier gained as you level. Massacre is the next logical elegy in the leveling path and consistency would have all bards getting it at about 95-97.

If you want to throw G-horn owners a bone I would suggest a Stun+damage spell, something like Sound Blast as a name and put its damage in the realm of Holy II.

2nd option, "Cacaphony", AoE Raise/Reraise III (consider it an upgrade to Hymnus, specific to the fully upgraded G-horn).

3rd option, "Rally", a song that is cast on a player who has just used a JA (including 2-hour) that expands the effect of the JA to the rest of the party for the remainder of the time-or cast just before the JA is used to MAKE the JA AoE.

4th option, "Bedlam" a song that makes the prey it is cast on run in terror from all party members (like the anima back in Prommy).

5th option, G-horn can hit alliance members with songs, and is the only instrument that can.

Any of those would seem fair to me.

Those are all pretty bad ideas.

[VoiceMemo]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

[Flionheart]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

There's so much wrong here, I don't even know where to start.

You better have the gear to back up that arrogant attitude.

[Creelo]

Carnage Elegy is already such a strong debuff. I think it'd be great if Massacre Elegy were to be exclusive to Gjallarhorn. It'd be an excellent reason to actually work towards it then other than to have a few extra immediate inventory slots.

Brd got a lot of goodies this update (Horde Lullaby II!!!! @____@), and will probably an even better update at the lvl 99 Cap (March III, MDB- Debuff?). We don't need a bunch of prissy bards whining that about how they don't have Massacre Elegy since they haven't even attempted to work at Gjallarhorn, especially when Carnage Elegy is already so strong (Marcato could possibly enhance its potency too!).

Massacre Elegy would be an excellent way to put a Gjallarhorn Brd a cut above those who lack the Relic. We'll have to wait and see I guess...

[Flionheart]

I have no problem with M.Elegy being a Ghorn only debuff, I have a problem with arrogant people who already have a Ghorn calling out those who don't.

Especially when those who do, still rock an NQ earth staff.

Who honestly has the right to say: "Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn"

or: "if you don't, means you like another job more than bard."

Do you realise how insulting that is to every BRD who doesn't have the time to put into a relic? Those with relics have always been arrogant, and it really offends me when those specific relic users disrespect the weapon/item they've worked on with subpar gear, whilst acting like they are a true <insert job here>

[Glamdring]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

not entirely true there, you can get your Gjallerhorn to the 4th stage in a year IF noone else is going for a relic anything so all currency is yours in your group AND you are halfway decent as a group at proccing. Then there are the extra stages post Dynamis. At currrent timetable Ghorn should be up to level 9 by the end of that year, so there is some more work to do.