Bard ~ Job Manifesto

[Asanarama]

Please don’t make massacre elegy relic-only. Relics are a mistake. Nothing should be set up so such a small % of a game’s population can afford it. That said, people who have put in the enormous effort to get a relic deserve to have it remain totally pimp as the level cap increases (relic horn should have had its +3 to songs trial when the first other +3 instruments came out), but if you do it by making that the only way to get massacre elegy, there will be rioting in the streets.

I really don’t like the phrasing they used when mentioning massacre elegy. I don’t like the idea of limiting things that way. For example, consider any item that only drops from an NM that shows up every few hours to every few days. That method controls the rate at which the item enters the world. I consider that to be a mistake. It should be about controlling the rate at which individual players can obtain items. If a lot of players are willing to put in the effort, then it’s ok for the rate at which that item enters the world to increase. People are putting in the effort and they deserve the reward. The fact that other people are interested in the same item should not make it harder to get. If I want to experience that, I can just pay a visit to the real world. That’s not how I want a game to be. Also, maybe the fact that fewer other people are interested in an item should not make it easier to get. I’m not saying I think everything in the game should be this way, but I wish more of it were. They way they worded the comment about massacre elegy has me worried that they’re going to handle it poorly. Although we might not be able to actually attack each other outside of Ballista and such events, make no mistake; FFXI is very PvP, more so than I care for.

[detlef]

Please don’t make massacre elegy relic-only. Relics are a mistake. Nothing should be set up so such a small % of a game’s population can afford it. That said, people who have put in the enormous effort to get a relic deserve to have it remain totally pimp as the level cap increases (relic horn should have had its +3 to songs trial when the first other +3 instruments came out), but if you do it by making that the only way to get massacre elegy, there will be rioting in the streets.

I think you have to throw a bone to Ghorn owners. It's been getting kicked around a lot and deserves something unique and powerful.

[Asanarama]

We only get 1 pianissimo, and even if we got several we can't change the fact that we would be so busy getting all 5 seperate buffs done that we wouldn't have time to sleep, elegy, threnody and finale the mob.

Because of the speed at which we can do our songs now, even outside of abyssea, if they get rid of the cooldown on pianissimo, I actually don’t see this as being much of a problem, except vs opponents that dispel or dispelga a lot.

[Glamdring]

The problem is this as far as massacre being G-horn only, almost all of our other songs are a multi-tier song, with a new tier gained as you level. Massacre is the next logical elegy in the leveling path and consistency would have all bards getting it at about 95-97.

If you want to throw G-horn owners a bone I would suggest a Stun+damage spell, something like Sound Blast as a name and put its damage in the realm of Holy II.

2nd option, "Cacaphony", AoE Raise/Reraise III (consider it an upgrade to Hymnus, specific to the fully upgraded G-horn).

3rd option, "Rally", a song that is cast on a player who has just used a JA (including 2-hour) that expands the effect of the JA to the rest of the party for the remainder of the time-or cast just before the JA is used to MAKE the JA AoE.

4th option, "Bedlam" a song that makes the prey it is cast on run in terror from all party members (like the anima back in Prommy).

5th option, G-horn can hit alliance members with songs, and is the only instrument that can.

Any of those would seem fair to me.

[Flionheart]

The problem is this as far as massacre being G-horn only, almost all of our other songs are a multi-tier song, with a new tier gained as you level. Massacre is the next logical elegy in the leveling path and consistency would have all bards getting it at about 95-97.

If you want to throw G-horn owners a bone I would suggest a Stun+damage spell, something like Sound Blast as a name and put its damage in the realm of Holy II.

2nd option, "Cacaphony", AoE Raise/Reraise III (consider it an upgrade to Hymnus, specific to the fully upgraded G-horn).

3rd option, "Rally", a song that is cast on a player who has just used a JA (including 2-hour) that expands the effect of the JA to the rest of the party for the remainder of the time-or cast just before the JA is used to MAKE the JA AoE.

4th option, "Bedlam" a song that makes the prey it is cast on run in terror from all party members (like the anima back in Prommy).

5th option, G-horn can hit alliance members with songs, and is the only instrument that can.

Any of those would seem fair to me.

Those are all pretty bad ideas.

[VoiceMemo]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

[Flionheart]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

There's so much wrong here, I don't even know where to start.

You better have the gear to back up that arrogant attitude.

[VoiceMemo]

There's so much wrong here, I don't even know where to start.

You better have the gear to back up that arrogant attitude.

I don't see how there is anything wrong with my post, I specifically said "in my opinion" which you neglected to bold out. Am I not entitled to having my opinion? Am I forcing my will on ALL brds? Is not relic one of the measures of the extent of a job?(IE Gajallarhorn being one if not the best instrument, Mythic/emps may be other measures)

And if you think that I got my Gjallarhorn though some ponzi scheme and used ls members, I don't think you read my dynamis link. I still do dynamis with members to help them with their relics 2 years after I've completed mine, dynamis(even the changes, weps, armor) hold absolutely nothing that I would like to get, yet I am there giving up my time to help others and leading the runs.

I think I am more than qualified to speak upon Gjallarhorn issues since I do own one as well as bard issues since I've been Main bard for 7+ years, it's rare that I'm NOT bard. The only times I'm not are 1) sub relvling for new caps, 2)THing on THF, 3)WHM when no other WHM is available.

With the current dynamis changes is relic not accessible to anyone that has 50K for a one time
fee key item? Yes it will take time, but anything good in FFXI takes time.

All I have done is stated scenarios and my opinion, if that is wrong then virtually every post in
the forums should be deleted.

[Glamdring]

Making massacre elegy Gjallarhorn only will not cause rioting of bard.
Any true bard should now be working on Gjallarhorn because of the dynamis changes. Gjallarhorn
is the pinnacle all aspiring bards should shoot for, in my opinion if you don't, means you like another job more than bard.

There are 4 ways to achieve relic, the fast way with gil, the medium way, the slow way with changed dynamis, and luck of the lotto.

First the fast way, IF you were to buy all 14,400 currency, at around 10k each on asura that's around some 144 million gil.

The medium way, is doing dynamis, initial cost 50k and also buying currency. So this way will cost you somewhere between 50k and 144 mil.

The slow way, is just doing dynamis so the cost is 50k(yes I know time is money but if you
have no other ways of making gil this situation works).

The luck way is pretty self explanatory, win mog lotto.

For more insight on dynamis see my dynamis post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ustments/page6

Even if the slow way IF you did dynamis 2x a week with some friends that willing to help you get it.(Yes you could get it faster by going every day, or more than 2x a week since it's 24hr entry now, either way this estimate is based off of 104 days of dynamis(52 weeks x 2))(I for one would go nutty if I did dynamis more than 2x a week, and I've done dynamis for 6+ years) It would take around 10 months to 1 year to complete at current drop rate levels. Averaging around 138 currency per run.

Compared to before Gjallarhorn as well as other relics are obtainable to everyone IF you are willing to put the time and effort into it. 14,400 currency is no small feat yes, but people need to think of FFXI in the long term. Anything good in FFXI takes time(even emps), the time needed varies due to gil, availability of help, and playtime.

not entirely true there, you can get your Gjallerhorn to the 4th stage in a year IF noone else is going for a relic anything so all currency is yours in your group AND you are halfway decent as a group at proccing. Then there are the extra stages post Dynamis. At currrent timetable Ghorn should be up to level 9 by the end of that year, so there is some more work to do.

[VoiceMemo]

not entirely true there, you can get your Gjallerhorn to the 4th stage in a year IF noone else is going for a relic anything so all currency is yours in your group AND you are halfway decent as a group at proccing. Then there are the extra stages post Dynamis. At currrent timetable Ghorn should be up to level 9 by the end of that year, so there is some more work to do.

I should have clarified that this was to get to base 75 Gjallarhorn. But in reality with the dynamis changes of 24hr entry it's not hard to complete all the trails to 90 Gjallarhorn in ust a few more days. As you can pop multiple Jeuno, Windy and Bard Attest nm in one run. If progression holds the next trials would be kill the animated horns X amount of times.