Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Alaik]

Oh I see...

Well, do what most other rational people do and read the actual data. What they're saying is true, backed up by numbers.

[DebbieGibson]

Well, do what most other rational people do and read the actual data. What they're saying is true, backed up by numbers.

There's no numbers saying that TH9 is the same as TH2. You can't eyeball such small percentages. Just because it isn't noticeable doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[SpankWustler]

Would comparing a Thief's drop rates against a level 90+ Dipper Yuly's drop rates be a good way to determine if Treasure Hunter beyond 3 is worthwhile, since the effete insect and it's master would kill weak stuff significantly faster and with more ease than a melee stuck subbing Thief?

I shudder to think what the sample size would have to be, but I'd be willing to kill a lot of pink birds and record the results if it would be helpful. It would probably need to wait until after the level cap is 95, though, to eliminate any chance of a level 89 ladybug mucking up the results.

Edit: I'd just be the doing the Dipper Yuly bit, to be really clear. I'd have to rely on someone else to provide Thief drop rates from 900000000000000000000000 and two pink birds.

[FrankReynolds]

There's no numbers saying that TH9 is the same as TH2. You can't eyeball such small percentages. Just because it isn't noticeable doesn't mean it doesn't work.

You are missing the point. If treasure hunter 2 is an obvious boost to drops ..... and treasure hunter 9 is such a trivial increase to drops that you have to kill hundreds of monsters to even know if its real...... then why bother with bringing a thief main?

I was stating that it should be the other way around. People should see barely any effect from treasure hunter 2, and a huge increase from treasure hunter 9. Furthermore, they shouldn't be using treasure hunter as an excuse for thief being weak in other areas, when anyone that subs thief gets increases in drops that are indistinguishable from treasure hunter applied by a thief.

[Alaik]

There's no numbers saying that TH9 is the same as TH2. You can't eyeball such small percentages. Just because it isn't noticeable doesn't mean it doesn't work.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Hunter-Testing

That took almost 10 seconds to get. If you've taken a statistics class you should know the sample size is enough to base a general impression about. It won't be accurate at the current data input rate for another week or two, at least in terms of <5% margin of error. Either way, yeah, guess what, the statements are not 100% correct, but they are more correct than your's.

[DebbieGibson]

You are missing the point. If treasure hunter 2 is an obvious boost to drops ..... and treasure hunter 9 is such a trivial increase to drops that you have to kill hundreds of monsters to even know if its real...... then why bother with bringing a thief main?

I was stating that it should be the other way around. People should see barely any effect from treasure hunter 2, and a huge increase from treasure hunter 9. Furthermore, they shouldn't be using treasure hunter as an excuse for thief being weak in other areas, when anyone that subs thief gets increases in drops that are indistinguishable from treasure hunter applied by a thief.

Because an increase from 10% to 15% is both unnoticeable and at the same time a massive boost. That is more effective than all the damage in the game and is absolute justification for making thf do crap dmg.

You keep assuming th9 does nothing compared to th2 and that iisnt proven at all.

[DebbieGibson]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Hunter-Testing

That took almost 10 seconds to get. If you've taken a statistics class you should know the sample size is enough to base a general impression about. It won't be accurate at the current data input rate for another week or two, at least in terms of <5% margin of error. Either way, yeah, guess what, the statements are not 100% correct, but they are more correct than your's.

That thread shows nothing at aall about the effecrs of th9 vs th2. There is currently nothing showing that th9 has no effect over th2

[Alaik]

That thread shows nothing at aall about the effecrs of th9 vs th2. There is currently nothing showing that th9 has no effect over th2

Page 5, post 47. There's mention of more as well.

Also in a later post about THF rolling (Which is TH6+ I believe, not 100% sure but I want to say he was using the 3 TH items) he actually got LESS. Which is of course due to a smaller sample size but again, statistics, 100 is sufficient for a broad general impression.

[DebbieGibson]

Page 5, post 47. There's mention of more as well.

Also in a later post about THF rolling (Which is TH6+ I believe, not 100% sure but I want to say he was using the 3 TH items) he actually got LESS. Which is of course due to a smaller sample size but again, statistics, 100 is sufficient for a broad general impression.

It says nothing about th9, sorry. And we dont eeven know if theres caps and floors to drop rates that can be affecting it.

[Insaniac]

It says nothing about th9, sorry. And we dont eeven know if theres caps and floors to drop rates that can be affecting it.

If there is a cap that is the absolute worst case scenario and a floor would be the base drop rate. You are still missing the point.

Curing is the only thing that sets WHM apart at all. It is heads and tails above anyone else capable of curing. WHM is the king of cures.

TH is the only thing that sets THF apart at all. It's TH abilities over those of RNG BST or anyone /THF are as of now unable to be nailed down or even discerned. THF is the shift manager of TH.