100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Aldersyde]

Did your six people need a Soulscourge or a thunder belt? Because those are the only items that that hedjetjet drops that no other mob drops. It doesn't even drop a key item. Heck, Bennu drops a card (If you're lucky! I do know this pain) and Orthus can potentially drop more jewels. Wow, i just looked at ffxi wiki and scars zones drop them too!

The point is, there was other options than standing around watching someone fight a mob. There was plenty you could have done besides waiting for someone to die so you could gank his mob. Blame your leader for wasting your time and if you're the leader, well, read the wiki and get informed. Then you'll know, and knowings half the battle.

I get it, you hate bsts. but you know what? Other jobs can do a lot more fantastical things in abyssea besides slowly whittling down a mob. I guess when it benefits you, "exploits" are a-ok!

[Aldersyde]

Quite a lot of people make PUG now you know? If you spent an hour forming a PUG and go there you can hardly go do something else, you either wait or disband.

I'm not trying to be a wad here, but unless they were specifically going for a soulscourge or thunderbelt, there's other mobs that drop the items they were going for. Showing up in a zone hoping that the influence is there for the scorp to even pop is really just poor planning in the first place. I can see an ls or group of friends saying "Hey, let's go out to abyssea for a lark and see if a free roaming nm is up instead of buying/building the popsets that we know will pop an nm we know will drop stuff we need" but I don't see a group of random strangers agreeing to that premise.

Then again, maybe I dunno. I usually don't do PUG. I have an ls and close friends I do abyssea with.

Seems to me, OP is changing their story to whatever they feel like as they go along.

[Ilax]

You guy just love derail it, my post was clearly talking about 2 thing...

-100% PDT + holding NM.

I would hate as much PLD if it was the job that get -100% PDT, Sorry but stop get me wrong.

[Aldersyde]

You guy just love derail it, my post was clearly talking about 2 thing...

-100% PDT + holding NM.

I would hate as much PLD if it was the job that get -100% PDT, Sorry but stop get me wrong.

I'm not derailing it. You told me what you thought was bs: pets pdt being 100%; and i told you what I thought was bs: your ls or friends or whatever the heck they were standing around for a mob to die instead of doing something productive. I further added that I thought it was bs that bsts can't use their natural ability to charm in abyssea but this is a discussion forum and discussion forums occasionally involve other people voicing their opinions.

This isn't even about bst or pdt. You ran into someone who was totally inconsiderate and that person could have been on any job but you decided to slander bsts as altogether plain-bad people that you'll never invite to a party. The reason you're getting so many "derails" is that bsts have a pretty tight knit identity around the job and you've stirred up a hornet's nest.

[Vold]

And why again ppl find that logical a BST get -100% PDT and not other job? Because you think other job would not like tell everyone f... .u i wan solo too? No other job able to do -100% PDT and right there is FAIL, so what the next logical plan, everyone level BST and get -100% PDT setup and hold every NM in the game.

Be serious, this is a major glitch that SE have to issue ASAP, my friend already finished his PDT -100% tonight, and he already holding NM just for fun (Because hey! he can now, so why not?) You know what he told me, AXE took him a big 3 day, head took him 1 day, so ya in 1 week max you can get your -100% PDT.

Some people here just can't face the fact that is broken, i don't care about the JOB, stop QQ about the job suppose to be like that because yet that another BS, there more job then BST that don't fit well in abyssea.

on side note, all my job are 90 and they all full merited, i have savior atma, mandau and masa. So you think a stupid 3 day long investment for a -100% PDT scare me up? ok ya... [they was all 75 PRE-Abyssea, sorry for flamer i am not one of those Abyssea-leecher that pretend to know everything in game]

And yes if i say that is because it frustrate me how a wannabe BST come in front of alliance and hold a NM for 60 min long careless about time wasting, and also make me rage more when i see people here argue how all this is 'suppose to be right'. And you all know this issue is just going to increase every day...

I saw many nin and dnc solo, i never said a word about it, and is simple why... They actually working hard to be able to do it, and is not such of 100% win + they do not take 1h to 1h30 to kill NM. I remember to see a nin/thf solo Benu, he was using temp item etc, i was amazed not shocked, also note he took 35 min to kill, again not 60~90 min long watching a stupid pet get hit by 0 all night.



We did not need anything else, 6 member needed that Scorpion, and i can't do anything about that, of course i could just tell everyone, sorry let call it tonight, there a BST taking his sweet time to solo a NM for 1 stone, is that answer work for you?

There situation sometime like that where you can't do anything else...

So you want them to nerf BST pet PDT, which btw is just about impossible to do without nerfing atmas that benefit every other job with it's -dt and gear that was fairly earned, because you came across one person on BST? You know how many BST I've come across while in Abyssea NM hunting that blocked me? Zero. It has never happened. Right. Let's nerf BST because they can use their pet pdt and mdt abilities to their full advantage, not because they are and flooding Abyssea, blocking the rest of the FFXI population. Makes all the sense in the world to me. I stand corrected.

The only person QQing in this thread is you because your feelings were hurt once in one years time by a mean BST who dared to put his new found pdt 100% to use and possibly PUP. I assume that statement is accurate because you haven't made the post before now. Yeah. Nerf BST. Nerf PUP too they're pets are too strong too. Let's nerf refresh atmas to boot. They make Abyssea too easy as people never /heal anymore for MP. It makes melee + WHM possible and you see them everywhere holding up groups with their dumb duos. Don't forget to nerf MNK atmas. Nerf DNC, THF, and NIN to boot. Let's just nerf everything so no one can do anything solo-trio anymore. Groups now count as 4+ for azure proc purposes and onward. And if your mini group dares get in the way of an alliance you need to move aside and let them take care of business, or else. No more blocking larger groups. It's the law.

If BST gets the nerf bat then there's a number of other things that should get the nerf bat too if the nerfs are solely meant to put a stop to slowing down the progress of another person. It's not fair to cry nerf on one job all the while you are enjoying the benefits of buffs intended for your job that you would absolutely cry foul over if it were nerfed. Refresh, crit dmg, crit hit rates, all the bells and whistles that permit all the solo and duo that goes down in Abyssea on even the hardest of monsters. SE has accepted that BST and probably PUP is pretty much stuck as solo jobs and they have made an effort to treat them as such with pdt and mdt set ups for pets.(nevermind that if BST could charm in Abyssea that they'd basically be just as invincible as they are right now except people could steal NM from them, and maybe that's why you can't charm in there to begin with and was intended to stop theft which BST have complained about since forever, and call beast got the boosts it did)

Now, maybe it's not fair for a BST to basically be invincible but really, come on. Just because you take damage doesn't make you any less invincible. I can duo Catu mobs... on my WAR, with a WHM. Yeah. Takes two characters but so what. I'm still invincible 99% of the time as war + whm, cheap crap aside. So I have no problem whatsoever with a BST being 100% invincible. Good deal for BST, but I would never bother in a million years to take a hour to kill anything. That's probably why BSTs typically choose more friendly group jobs to do their Abyssea business. They have to be because they darn sure aren't flooding Abyssea holding everyone up on their BST. They like high drop rates, too.

In short, just please suck it up. You have to learn to take the bad with the good. If you were truly bothered by an invincible BST then I might see your point but it's very clear that you are bothered by being held up for a hour and are 100% okay with SE completely destroying BST only saving grace in Abyssea, over a handful of incidents IF that many. Sounds pretty selfish to me. I wonder what your friend thinks of that after going through the trouble of 100% PDT for their pet.

You are asking for balance in a zone that is anything but balanced. This was a lost cause before you clicked on the post box.

[Aleste]

2c:

I feel that having 100% PDT is broken as no-job should have complete immunity from enemy attacks. SMN had it for a while in abyssea and it got nerfed. Why should this be any different? is it because there is a little bit of gear involved?

If it got nerfed down to normal standards, the only thing that would change is Beastmasters would have to pair (or treble) up to fight the NM's. Hey presto, suddenly the mob dies twice (three times) as quickly.

~Writing this as I run past a pair of summoners in vunkerl duoing Ironclad with leviathan; Props to them

[ShadowHeart]

they can just make the mobs inside abyssea charmable and then beasts can just charm all the xp mobs and throw them at the nm for 2 hours instead of 1 maybe this make you happier ?
you forget beasts do not get all the benefits and tools they do outside so a little help never hurt them
and i don't have no 100PDT set up or even close but crying because u have to wait for a mob lol you never been c*ck blocked by a ls farming an NM yet have you

[Ilax]

Again you got me wrong, idc if is PLD, SMN, PUP or BST with -100% PDT, if is so right then allow all other job to be able do same. And if you more serious then NERF IT as they did for all job, end of story. Stop bring how i hate BST and so on, specially when i do have multiple BST in my LS (And yes i am one of these too..) and that never been a problem.

For the c**k block comment, i am sorry but SE already make all they can to avoid this to happen, reduce NM pop to 1 min but allow a BST solo 60~90 min long, just go figure, and hey i say BST, same would apply if PLD could get -100% PDT, so yes please stop derailing it.

Side note: my friend had -80% PDT and he was doing perfect, of course he had to actually work to success NM kill. Stop arguing how a BST absolute need -100% PDT that just plain BS, if your BST stink that much with -80% PDT then it might be a good choice to try another job.

[Ilax]

Seriously don't even say how you need be a skilled player to kick Snarl on hate reset, and eat popcorn while your PET get 0 dmg, oh and call another PET because he expired since you take too long to kill.

[Lordleo]

Idk if its been pointed out and i personally don't care to read 13+ pages of rambling, but bst is the only one to be able to get 100% -pdt. My pup was at 65% and was doing as good if not maybe better then some bsts, nice little ws called cannibal blade makes up for it, although like most all pups lil upset that WE got nerfed and nobody else did... thanks SE. Side note i believe I was told smn can only get 85% -pdt but hey their pets are a lil more disposable then the other two before mentioned jobs. I do agree w/ previously mentioned statement if gonna nerf one job because it can solo NM's that wipe alliances... why didn't you nerf the other 19 jobs?