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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    100% damage reduction makes absolutely no sense. That's a PLD's 2hr, which (duh) you can only use every two hours. For a 30 second duration. Having BST and PUP fulltime it is just silly. 80% I can understand, and in fact I believe that should be the cap (for players too). And yes, as was pointed out, Abyssea is a time-sensitive area, and even if it wasn't, watching a guy tickle a mob down for 90min and more when you wanted to do that is not just generally disappointing, but also against the spirit of Abyssea, which is to make content easily accessible to everyone. People complained about 3min respawn timer for ???s, but having to postpone a NM because someone is AFKing it to death for longer than you can even stay in the zone? It's like soloing Genbu in 5 hours. While it's possible, and kudos to you if you have that much patience, it obstructs content for everyone else. It's simply unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    100% damage reduction makes absolutely no sense. That's a PLD's 2hr, which (duh) you can only use every two hours. For a 30 second duration. Having BST and PUP fulltime it is just silly. 80% I can understand, and in fact I believe that should be the cap (for players too). And yes, as was pointed out, Abyssea is a time-sensitive area, and even if it wasn't, watching a guy tickle a mob down for 90min and more when you wanted to do that is not just generally disappointing, but also against the spirit of Abyssea, which is to make content easily accessible to everyone. People complained about 3min respawn timer for ???s, but having to postpone a NM because someone is AFKing it to death for longer than you can even stay in the zone? It's like soloing Genbu in 5 hours. While it's possible, and kudos to you if you have that much patience, it obstructs content for everyone else. It's simply unfair.
    It's hardly any more or less unfair than wanting to play your BST and being told that you're worthless for the content and/or to come on another job that you don't like to be "productive" for proccing. If your response to that is "you could level and play another job and suck it up," well then you could just level a BST and solo your own monster with the -100% PDT and take advantage of it. Taking one of the only bones thrown at the BST away would be VASTLY more unfair to them then having to wait is to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    well then you could just level a BST and solo your own monster with the -100% PDT and take advantage of it.
    Actually I think there should be only one job (that is essentially all current jobs rolled into one). And that we should all be our own Tanks, Healers and Melee.

    We should all have -100% PDT and -100% MDT, as well as infinite STR, DEX, VIT, etc.

    There should also be only 1 massive zone, and we should be able to teleport to a pinpointed location at will. (take note SE, I really want this... I'm tired of having to use warp scrolls and home points) Why? Because walking is too slow and I'm too lazy to press the W button on my keyboard to go anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akujima View Post
    Actually I think there should be only one job (that is essentially all current jobs rolled into one). And that we should all be our own Tanks, Healers and Melee.

    We should all have -100% PDT and -100% MDT, as well as infinite STR, DEX, VIT, etc.

    There should also be only 1 massive zone, and we should be able to teleport to a pinpointed location at will. Why? Because walking is too slow and I'm too lazy to press the W button on my keyboard to go anywhere.
    Oh, totally, because spending 60+ minutes to solo something with an almost 0 rate of return is the same thing as just killing everything. I mean, think of what you could do if you were totally invincible and did 1 point of damage to a monster with 200,000,000 hit points every 10 seconds. You should be the first to have that ability available to you.

    There's a reason why not a lot of BSTs or other pet jobs run around soloing things (hint, it's really slow and nets you almost nothing), but those that do shouldn't have the ability removed unless they're compensated with some sort of *gasp* useful abilities that other people actually value!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    There's a reason why not a lot of BSTs or other pet jobs run around soloing things (hint, it's really slow and nets you almost nothing), but those that do shouldn't have the ability removed unless they're compensated with some sort of *gasp* useful abilities that other people actually value!
    Not my fault SE decided to make every job vague and non-descriptive when Abyssea came out.

    Seems their answer though is to make every job a super-hero that can do everything themselves. No wonder so many people give so little value towards other jobs eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    It's hardly any more or less unfair than wanting to play your BST and being told that you're worthless for the content and/or to come on another job that you don't like to be "productive" for proccing. If your response to that is "you could level and play another job and suck it up," well then you could just level a BST and solo your own monster with the -100% PDT and take advantage of it. Taking one of the only bones thrown at the BST away would be VASTLY more unfair to them then having to wait is to you.
    Having a pet hit 80% PDT (which is quite easy to attain), is still an incredibly good tank, better than most player characters could be. Even if a perfectly geared and fully def-buffed PLD were to eat a 1k base damage hit to the face, it would be hit for maybe 400 damage. A pet would take 200 (twice as good), with a PDT set that isn't any challenge to attain. Some may argue even that is broken, but I wouldn't mind it. All I'm saying is 100% PDT makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Having a pet hit 80% PDT (which is quite easy to attain), is still an incredibly good tank, better than most player characters could be. Even if a perfectly geared and fully def-buffed PLD were to eat a 1k base damage hit to the face, it would be hit for maybe 400 damage. A pet would take 200 (twice as good), with a PDT set that isn't any challenge to attain. Some may argue even that is broken, but I wouldn't mind it. All I'm saying is 100% PDT makes no sense whatsoever.
    I certainly think there are more elegant solutions to giving some jobs advantages where they currently lack, though I think it would make less sense if it also didn't essentially make the BST hit like a cotton ball. Getting 100% damage reduction isn't too badly balanced given the work one has to put into getting it, the return on the investment (low) and the gigantic waste of time it is to solo something using it, especially considering how jobs that DON'T have it, with some exceptions (I'm looking at you, RNG and PLD), can get gear faster and wouldn't actually trade their proccing, stuff-getting status to get 100% PDT, slug-speed killing and poor returns anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranda View Post
    I certainly think there are more elegant solutions to giving some jobs advantages where they currently lack, though I think it would make less sense if it also didn't essentially make the BST hit like a cotton ball. Getting 100% damage reduction isn't too badly balanced given the work one has to put into getting it, the return on the investment (low) and the gigantic waste of time it is to solo something using it, especially considering how jobs that DON'T have it, with some exceptions (I'm looking at you, RNG and PLD), can get gear faster and wouldn't actually trade their proccing, stuff-getting status to get 100% PDT anyway, slug-speed killing and poor returns anyway.
    This really only happens if they are using all their atmas on regen/pdt and none on doing damage. In those cases when they take that long, I'm in favor of the mob getting PO'd at the delay and bypassing -pdt as part of its raging *cough* Raja example *cough*.

    While we're talking about damage...If you go the opposite way and go full on damage instead of pdt some pets will put out some simply ridiculous damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalVariable View Post
    This really only happens if they are using all their atmas on regen/pdt and none on doing damage. In those cases when they take that long, I'm in favor of the mob getting PO'd at the delay and bypassing -pdt as part of its raging *cough* Raja example *cough*.

    While we're talking about damage...If you go the opposite way and go full on damage instead of pdt some pets will put out some simply ridiculous damage.
    And that they do! It's too bad people aren't inviting for damage of late
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