Pre Abyssea: Whatever happened to that Warp-Taru in Whitegate?

[Greatguardian]

Well they revived Dynamis this update, and it's a lot freaking harder than it used to be. As for no one doing anything but Abyssea, that's just a fool's generalization. Players who care about old content still do old content. My shell's still been doing Dynamis, Odins, and AVs to pass the time because we enjoy them.

Old content is fine where it is. If it's phased out, it's phased out. I'd rather have some new content instead.

Side note: Unless a NIN is delay capped, full +2 is dumb.

[Netheos]

I have held off all this time taking a guess that SE would bundle these packages eventually and will be buying them next week. However, I have been playing w/o Abby and TBH, the highest I could get level wise was around 70 with normal parties. 60-70 was the hardest. Seems like everyone is dropping off the xp party bandwagon and heading to abby. I agree, it is nice to be able to advance so quickly but folks are missing out on some great chances to really grab their job by the horns. Personally I will you abby like hell to get merits. I still get all the artifact armor for my character on the jobs that are available to get it.

In a LS discussion the other evening, a member was debating that the LS did not do events anymore. When he was asked what events he was interested in, his list only contained events pertaining to abby. We suggested some of the OP's events and he wanted nothing to do with it because it did not benefit him directly. All in all, we will not be doing any of those events any time soon I believe. I sympathize with the OP on wanting to see these events brought back into the spot light. But I think for now, we have to live in the Abby shadow and try to form these events with close RL friends or advertise for long periods of time. It will happen, everyone gets bored and wants to run these events at some point.

[Thehobo]

refresh from the AF3 Horn +1.

Eeek, I there is a relation. This whole thread was started for the purpose of having constructive talks about each of the aforementioned ideas. You chose to pick one.

AF1 is not useless. I understand this. I'm just saying that there are better pieces for many of the slots. Again, I return to what I said earlier. Abyssea has ruined the system of things. I just wish there was more of an incentive to get the AF. (I have all AF pieces for all 4 of my 90 jobs as well. I went and got them regardless, out of habit.) The point still stands about the balance though. I just wish they could revive some of that. I hate there being 500+ people in Port Jeuno and 800+ in Abyssea.

Abyssea level minimum should be increased and more use for artifact armor would be nice. That's all I was saying.

[Thehobo]

However, I have been playing w/o Abby and TBH, the highest I could get level wise was around 70 with normal parties. 60-70 was the hardest. Seems like everyone is dropping off the xp party bandwagon and heading to abby.

60+ is the hardest. Thus the suggested 50 or 60 level minimum for Abyssea. It's constructive. It'll reinforce the idea of leveling and learning your job before you just zerg it 90. If they made it 60, people may be forced to grab their AF moreso than now. It's just an idea. Eeek loves Abyssea with all his/her heart and apparently will defend it to the end. But I'm not trying to attack Abyssea for anything other than the fact that it ruins some people into thinking they can level and job and be good at it. ~Wrong~ .

The concept of Abyssea IS truly amazing. Defeat certain monsters in certain ways and you'll obtain a Key Item that can make you stronger. There's nothing wrong with that. Defeating the same monster over and over should yield greater EXP, great idea. Alternating to earn Cruor. Great idea. Letting people leech and not even know how to play their job? Not so great.

Is that fair to say?

[Greatguardian]

Oh.

So it's one of those threads again.

About people not knowing their job?

Have fun with that.

[Thehobo]

Oh my God. Read the first post. It's not strictly about that. But I'm sorry, some jobs are more complicated than others. That was just a statement. Narrow minded, I swear. Again, where is the constructive talking for the developers? If you don't want to say something constructive, go flame somewhere else please.

[Greatguardian]

I already responded to your OP. I don't need to repeat myself.

But really, no job is hard or complicated enough that anyone with half a brain can't pick it up within 30 minutes of practice and some basic algebra.

[Eeek]

refresh from the AF3 Horn +1.

Eeek, I there is a relation. This whole thread was started for the purpose of having constructive talks about each of the aforementioned ideas. You chose to pick one.

AF1 is not useless. I understand this. I'm just saying that there are better pieces for many of the slots. Again, I return to what I said earlier. Abyssea has ruined the system of things. I just wish there was more of an incentive to get the AF. (I have all AF pieces for all 4 of my 90 jobs as well. I went and got them regardless, out of habit.) The point still stands about the balance though. I just wish they could revive some of that. I hate there being 500+ people in Port Jeuno and 800+ in Abyssea.

Abyssea level minimum should be increased and more use for artifact armor would be nice. That's all I was saying.

No, I did focus on only one part of your OP. I assressed your incorrect statements in my first post, and Greatguardian addressed them as well. We're only debating AF1 because you seem to think that it's all obsolete when that's completely incorrect.

Yes, there is incentive to get AF1 because some of it is still useful.

There's 500+ people in Port Jeuno because that's the game's current central city hub. This time last year, there were 500+ people in Whitegate. Same thing different city.

There are lots of people in Abyssea because people still want to level/merit jobs, complete AF3 +1 and +2 pieces, upgrade Empyrean weapons, get r/ex gear, do Magian trials, do quests for Atma of the Savior, and so on. You act as those people only do Abyssea, but that's clearly not the case.

Posters here are disagreeing with you because every single one of your OP's statement are incorrect.

[Arcon]

Most people agree with you Thehobo, as you can see by looking at any random page in the General Discussion forum. Someone said you can still do old events, and while that's true, the incentive for most of those is gone, at least to a lot of people. We had to cancel Dynamis often lately, because most people didn't wanna join, and we couldn't even get one full party together. And while that may be doable (I believe we were 7 when we won Beaucedine a while ago), it's not quite as profitable and not nearly as fun. I miss the days when you had to throw 20+ people at events and try to coordinate that giant mess. I didn't get a chance to do the new Dynamis yet, but I hear it's harder than it used to be. While that sounds nice, the incentive to do it is even less than it used to be, so getting people will be even harder.

Will have to see how all of that turns out. That's something I really miss about the old days.

[Eeek]

Oh my God. Read the first post. It's not strictly about that. But I'm sorry, some jobs are more complicated than others. That was just a statement. Narrow minded, I swear. Again, where is the constructive talking for the developers? If you don't want to say something constructive, go flame somewhere else please.

We're not flaming you. We're disagreeing with you. There's an enormous difference.

Internet forums may not be the place for you if you cannot handle disagreement or if you cannot handle sometimes being in the wrong. We're all wrong from time to time. It's perfectly normal.