Obligatory Waltz Fix Demand

[Lilsanchez]

But I'm sure you completely agree DNC is amazing in that area though... Otherwise you wouldnt be playing it much, annd... I don't really think there are other jobs out there that solo better then DNC. "If Played right" as you say. DNC is the best to my knowledge.. By far. IMO though, of course.

[Kari]

But I'm sure you completely agree DNC is amazing in that area though... Otherwise you wouldnt be playing it much, annd... I don't really think there are other jobs out there that solo better then DNC. "If Played right" as you say. DNC is the best to my knowledge.. By far. IMO though, of course.

Pet Jobs tend to solo better.
There's also plenty of new NMs that will tear a DNC apart.

I also don't play DNC because it's a good solo job. If I wanted an amazing soloer, I'd probably have leveled BST and/or SMN.
90% of the things I do on FFXI are in small groups with friends.

Either way, I don't so much want DNC to be better at soloing, but I do want it to be viable in more party situations than current.

[Kasandaro]

That's pretty much how I feel about Trance too. I like it for Aeolian Edge spam when I already have capped Azure, I don't like it otherwise.

(quoting yours, as it's the first I clicked on)

A couple said the same, that I want to comment on. One of SE's issues here is there is a LOT of endgame content that is not Abyssea, not to mention they want to keep the job and ability useful through the previous 89ish levels. By 75+, yes, DNC switches to a more DD role, but prior to that, it's soloing or healing.

And please do not say that it doesn't matter since everyone chestburns 30+.

Tabula Rasa is quite possibly the most useless 2-hour in the game, so it may be a bad example to pull for this. Benediction is more useful than Trance, in that it AoE cures everyone nearby and removes status ailments. The biggest problem with Bene is that most WHMs don't use it until it's far too late.

TR I will give you as the most complex. Azure Lore beats it hands down and around for worthless. My problem with Benediction (and yes, I've had this on several mobs, but this one sticks in my head):
Dynamis Lord: Oblivion Smash
WHM: Benediction
10s later
DL: Oblivion Smash
WHM: ...

versus
DL: Oblivion Smash
DNC: Trance
DNC: DWII
DNC: DWII
DL: Oblivion Smash
DNC: DWII
DNC: DWII
DNC: /grin

I dunno. I like playing healing jobs to their fullest extent as healers, and Trance is a huge tool for such. I realize this puts me in a minority.

[Ninian]

I dunno. I like playing healing jobs to their fullest extent as healers, and Trance is a huge tool for such. I realize this puts me in a minority.

That makes two of us~<3

I liked the way DNC played as a healer. I don't like how WHM plays as a healer so much... if that makes any sense. DNC was a super endurance-healer, you could cure for the duration of an event (Dynamis, Einherjar, etc etc) without resting etc. You were always doing something on DNC be it steps, sambas, engaging or waltzing. It was awesome. Key word was.

[Dooom]

I liked the way DNC played as a healer. I don't like how WHM plays as a healer so much... if that makes any sense. DNC was a super endurance-healer, you could cure for the duration of an event (Dynamis, Einherjar, etc etc) without resting etc. You were always doing something on DNC be it steps, sambas, engaging or waltzing. It was awesome. Key word was.

It makes perfect sense. I always feel active and engaged on dancer, whereas on whm I don't feel that way quite so much even when I know I am. I barely get to use dnc these days though due to the problems outlined in this thread, so I shall simply lend my voice to those looking for some sort of fix to make us a viable healer again.

[Renesmay]

Even if they make Waltz II and place the healing waltz and CW 4-5 and have Waltz for CW1-3 and the divine. or vica versa with the healing/ divine I personally tend to run with a Monkx2 and a DRK with me as DNC so I use cure 4-5 quite alot since im the only actual healer and the all compete to see who can do most dmg ><

[Onii]

Yes, please. I have been wanting this type of thing for forever long. Being a main dancer im always the main or support healer for my raiding parties as well as 2nd tank. So its gets really hectic when you have to choose between healing yourself, healing your party members or choosing to take off a debuff vs keeping yourself alive. So lower or different timers would be a insanely great change!

[Byrth]

If your interest is curing HP against AoE spam, Trance could be better. Benediction is nice because it takes your party from whatever you're at and instantly restores you to full HP with no status debuffs.

[Kasandaro]

That makes two of us~<3

I liked the way DNC played as a healer. I don't like how WHM plays as a healer so much... if that makes any sense. DNC was a super endurance-healer, you could cure for the duration of an event (Dynamis, Einherjar, etc etc) without resting etc. You were always doing something on DNC be it steps, sambas, engaging or waltzing. It was awesome. Key word was.

I like WHM as a healer - in settings where I can break out the hammers and Boon things while healing. Or if it's a busybusybusy situation. (One healer for frog camp? Sign me up!) Dynamis? Yeah, I bring a book.

If your interest is curing HP against AoE spam, Trance could be better. Benediction is nice because it takes your party from whatever you're at and instantly restores you to full HP with no status debuffs.

Yep, Trance could be better - there are days I swear even at the 6s Trance leaves the Waltzes at. And Benediction is great against huge aoe damage - but only the first hit of it. (Benediction's rant is irrelevant to this forum, anyway.)

What would you do to Trance, Byrth, if I may ask? Only thing I could think of is to maybe give it aspects from Saber and Fan Dances while up, without the actual merit ability penalties.

[Maquis]

This is indeed a problem. When I play on DNC, I make it clear to my group that they should not expect me to main heal.

Would love to see a flourish with its own recast timer that resets your waltz timer.