Final Fantasy Vana'Diel Collection 3! (Now with Epic Items~)

[Randwolf]

Cereal with worthless little toy prizes which you have no use for. Also an obvious attempt at getting adults with no children to buy the cereal? No, they have an obvious target: children. This hat has an obvious target: newbs.

Anyway, I tire of this discussion. I think most people have, at this point, decided what they feel about the issue and most likely won't change their mind one way or the other.

[Karbuncle]

While it does make sense and good on a company that can do that and maintain a successful business model, this doesn't necessarily mean that SE is doing exactly that. While I think SE cares about it's consumers more than some (look at all the effort going into fixing FF14), they need to pull in more new players as well.

Making your old customers is certainly a concern, but getting NEW customers in addition to your old ones, is probably their focus. If you can keep the old customers complacent, and the get some new ones while you're at it, why not release a new Ultimate collection like this?

I don't think giving current players this hat will prevent new players from joining >____>

[Atima]

I don't think giving current players this hat will prevent new players from joining >____>

The idea isn't to give it to current players. That hat is clearly intended for new ones. While there isn't anything wrong with giving it to old players, and there isn't anything from stopping the old players from buying the Expansion, the expansion isn't meant for old players that already have access to the content.

While I'm not saying the hat shouldn't be given to old players by ANY means, complaining that you don't get a hat that won't really affect you is silly. You can get the hat if you want it. The price has been set and you can have at it Would it be cool if SE made it available without the new expansion, sure, but it isn't. Facts are facts.

If you could buy the hat for say $5 dollars, would you? Then that would be something to contend and bring to SE's attention, but complaining that you don't have a hat that won't affect the content tier you obviously have access to is pretty silly. The hat is intended to wrangle in new people and help them get to the content you're already involved with.


---Edited for Clarification in reference to linked post---

[Starcade]

That's not the point of the concern!

Why should we have to pay for ZERO CONTENT, Camate, just to get the Beret?

Now, if you want to come out and admit this is the only way Square-Enix is going to get new players, fine! If you want to say we all psycho-XP to 90 in Abyssea anyway and don't need it - fine. But at least admit it!!

But it's an insult to my intelligence (cue jokes from the Cheater Brigade here) to have us (WHO ALREADY HAVE ALL THE CONTENT) pay $20 or whatever it is (WHEN WE PAID MORE JUST FOR ABYSSEA!) to get this Beret.

[Atima]

That's not the point of the concern!

Why should we have to pay for ZERO CONTENT, Camate, just to get the Beret?

Now, if you want to come out and admit this is the only way Square-Enix is going to get new players, fine! If you want to say we all psycho-XP to 90 in Abyssea anyway and don't need it - fine. But at least admit it!!

But it's an insult to my intelligence (cue jokes from the Cheater Brigade here) to have us (WHO ALREADY HAVE ALL THE CONTENT) pay $20 or whatever it is (WHEN WE PAID MORE JUST FOR ABYSSEA!) to get this Beret.

If you really want the hat so bad, just buy it. If you think it'll make that much of a difference beings you already have the Abyssea content and 1-30 will take so long that you need increased skill ups and movement speed that won't matter when you go from 31-90 in 24hrs with Abyssea leeching. Even from the standpoint of a person leveling the old way, 1-30 is a pretty small margin of the leveling experience.

Make a new thread and petition SE to make the hat available to everyone through a registration purchase for 5 bucks or something, but it doesn't make much sense for veteran players to complain that they don't get an item that is not intended for them in the first place.

If you already have the content then you don't need to buy this.

[bungiefan]

Considering it took me 8 years for my first 75, and 4 years for my first 30, playing casually, this is a very useful item to have for my remaining jobs. Only giving it free to new players is a slap in the face. Utility is similar to the Nexus Cape for me. As a PS2 player, buying every expansion at release was forced, since the discs would go out of print a month or two after expansion release.

[Yinnyth]

That's not the point of the concern!

Why should we have to pay for ZERO CONTENT, Camate, just to get the Beret?

Now, if you want to come out and admit this is the only way Square-Enix is going to get new players, fine! If you want to say we all psycho-XP to 90 in Abyssea anyway and don't need it - fine. But at least admit it!!

But it's an insult to my intelligence (cue jokes from the Cheater Brigade here) to have us (WHO ALREADY HAVE ALL THE CONTENT) pay $20 or whatever it is (WHEN WE PAID MORE JUST FOR ABYSSEA!) to get this Beret.

Maybe they'll grant your wish and offer to sell just the code for the beret for a mere $15 for people who don't want to pay the extra $5 for the expansions they already have. Also, you paid more for abyssea because it was new and shiny back then. Now it's the status quo, so it's not worth nearly as much as it used to be.

Also, claiming that this is an insult to your intelligence implies that you think they think you'll buy this for only the beret, though you personally believe the beret isn't worth the price they're asking. However, you most likely want this hat pretty badly, or maybe you're just like me and enjoy discussing the ethics behind this product. So I'm guessing you're torn currently: on one hand you really want this thing, on the other, you don't think it's worth $20.

What I'm interested in knowing is why you want the beret so badly. Do you still have several jobs below level 30 you intend to level soon? Do you want to own every costume-producing item you can get your hands on? Are you a collector who buys every FFXI related thing you're offered? Do you simply feel that you should be entitled to every item that is offered to any other player?

[scaevola]

That would be correct on the first point. If you can make a customer believe that it is more about them than the money, you're being smart. If people believe you care more about their wallet than them, they will shop around for someone who is easier on the wallet. It has nothing to do with reality. Even hospitals are about the bottom line. They don't ever want you to believe that. But, it's true. However, a good business makes you believe otherwise.

Or you could acknowledge the bottom line is your primary concern, which everyone who is not a child already understands, and appeal to customers without insulting their collective intelligence by providing a quality product at a reasonable price.

[Vivik]

Or you could acknowledge the bottom line is your primary concern, which everyone who is not a child already understands, and appeal to customers without insulting their collective intelligence by providing a quality product at a reasonable price.

They are offering a quality product at a reasonable price. What they should have done is include the hat within the serial code of the new software, that way only new people get em. Then you all could whine about why you are unable to get it at all.

[Volkai]

If you've been playing long enough to already own all the expansions and add-ons (which presumably means you're an advanced enough player to make use of all of them) then you probably don't need the newbie hat, which means there's no obligation for SE to hand it out to everyone for nothing.

Which means if you want the hat, buy the expansion and use the item code on your account.


If you're a new enough player to make use of the hat, chances are good that you haven't bought Abyssea yet, which means it's worth buying the new collection just for the Abyssea add-ons, and as a bonus you get a very nice hat to help you get to the point where you can start to enter Abyssea.



If you bought the Abyssea add-ons but are a new enough player to truly utilize the hat, then... I dunno. Why did you buy them when you couldn't really utilize them yet? If you want the hat badly enough then you'll shell out the money for it, and if you don't that's okay -- you can still do fine without the hat.