So are they banning people on the brew holds?

[Starcade]

They said it's working as intended, though~

They said the same about the Salvage stuff too until someone decided to embarrass Square-Enix outside of the game.

[Starcade]

You would have a better chance suing every cop/police station.

If I had standing to do so, but the Supreme Court has already made a decision on that...

(Specifically, that the cops have no obligation to protect you whatsoever...)

[Starcade]

I don't see the wrong in Salvage duping, its a mistake on SE's part, why should someone get punished for a mistake SE made? Besides they are using their Assault Points to purchase said access if people want to go brew happy by all means let them, they'll eventually run out of Assault Points.

The more things change, the more the cheaters/enablers stay the same.

[Tamoa]

Way to go, twisting other people's words Starcade. How very mature of you.

Again, please post a link to where an SE representative said that the Salvage duping was a known mechanic and by design.

[Starcade]

You're just tilting at windmills again...

Considering the audience here, I'm not surprised you think that.

Were you dropped on your head as a child, perhaps multiple times. That's the only thing that I can figure out that would cause you to be so delusional.

If you were to have your way we'd still be stuck back in the stone ages getting exp at 3k/hr with only paladins as tanks because that's the way that SE intended it.

Better that than have everybody cheat their butts off.

Final Fantasy was never meant to be an "easy" franchise.

We wouldn't have Nin or /nin blink tanking since SE didn't consider the possibility of spamming utsusemi as a way to avoid to damage. Just because SE didn't intend for a certain gameplay mechanic to be used in a different way doesn't mean that it violates the TOS.

Actually, it used to. And for that specific wording of the definition of an exploit (it was Q12652, if my memory serves). That, in fact, was the specific definition of an exploit -- an action taken outside of intended gameplay use.

Pretty much every innovation in game strategy came from some one finding a new and unique way to use the game mechanics that SE most likely had not considered. At that point SE will come out and say if the new tactic is legit or not. In this case they have specifically said that they know about using NPC interactions to stop the brew timer and they are completely fine with it at this time.

And here's the problem with that: Many of the most prominent players were eventually banned because of an exploit that they were told (and it was well-known to the endgame community that it was) that it was completely fine at this time.

Despite what your delusional brain tells you, you are not the person who gets to determine what is an exploit in the game, that is left up SE. You seriously need to go get some help for your obvious mental disorders.

Actually, I think the problem is that Square-Enix sticks their finger into the wind and decides on that basis, rather than an actual investigation of the situation.

[Starcade]

Mods, is it legal for me to post such information -- or is this enabler trying to lay a trap?

[Tamoa]

I'm either being ignored, or Starcade has put me on ignore list. Not like it matters one way or another, it's as clear as day that he is convinced he's been chosen to go on a holy crusade against anyone who does something he disapproves of in this game. I feel sorry for you, playing a game that's supposed to be fun and entertaining, out of sheer spite. You must be one bitter, bitter man.

[Starcade]

I'm not ignoring you, cheat-enabler.

I'm just suspicious you're trying to pull something.

The facts are -- and they were very well-known -- that Square-Enix, through the GMs, had known about the Salvage duping for at least EIGHTEEN MONTHS before actually trying to do something about it. This (as well as Salvage duping itself) was basically known to EVERYONE DOING SALVAGE SERIOUSLY.

(One of the reasons, frankly, I'd have terminated Salvage completely and removed all of it from the game almost 2 1/2 years ago.)

[Tamoa]

You still haven't posted a link as I asked for. I would like to see something that proves SE said Salvage duping was a known mechanic and by design. I'm not denying that they knew about it well before they actually did something about it, I just want to know where they said it was ok, and then did a 180 and banned people for it.

And just a fyi - I never took part in Salvage dupings at all (in fact I didn't know about it until the bans hit), and I have never paused a brew by interacting with a NPC in game. Cheat-enabler? lol, just lol.

[Glamdring]

I was so annoyed noone told me about that bard campaign XP exploit until after it was removed. I would have loved the free merit points, would have saved me weeks of work.

Exploits are not a bannable offense UNTIL they are announced as such, they are simply someone thinking their way past a door developers never contemplated or thought they had shut. Use 'em until told not to, then don't get caught!