One thing that really pisses me off about the FFXI community

[rog]

There are no short comings of the UI. It is perfect.

[rog]

What? Since when should it be counter productive to read an instruction manual? A good, well informed player should at least read how to interact with the game before diving head first. To claim the opposite is just plain asinine.

You keep claiming the UI is so convoluded, and contrived, but you hven't really given any examples outside that you just say it is. If you want a productive thread, come up with a comprehensible, coherent, logically sound argument; present it in a fashionable manner; and discuss the results. Do not insult those who think you made a poor attempt at presentation.

No one reads manuals, and every game creator should always assume the players will not read it. Sorry, but i agree with him, anything that is not obvious, and needs to be explained should be explained within the game itself.

[Karbuncle]

in a way i think Rog is right.

Its a good idea to cater to the llazy masses. Cause they are the majority. Maybe having basic things explained in the "Cutscenes" at the begining of the game.

How do other MMORPGs handle it? a Tutorial?

[Andylynn]

No one reads manuals, and every game creator should always assume the players will not read it. Sorry, but i agree with him, anything that is not obvious, and needs to be explained should be explained within the game itself.

That's one gigantic assumption. To claim -no one- reads guides, manuals, is just plain ludicrous. If the information is simply there in a small pamphlet right in front of your face, with you refusing to read it, and you can't understand how to navigate the game, then you are close minded.

[rog]

Ok, but the vast majority of people never read any game manuals. The most likely people to read them are probably little kids who read them in the car on the way home.

[Coephoros]

I love how much "they" are stupid. "We" of course are perfect.

[Karbuncle]

Sometimes i forget that not everyone watches RedLetterMedia reviews, Especially on Star Trek Movies.

[Karbuncle]

But no, Really, How do other MMO's handle it? I guess it wouldn't be too hard to implement a "Tutorial" System in the first part. how to Heal, How to open Macros, How to access menu/items/Equipment screen, and how to Move wouldn't be too bad.

After that though.

[Eitheta]

I admit, FFXI has a shitty UI compared to other games, but there is really no point at all in fixing it now. It's way more work than it's worth. Plus, everybody who plays is used to it now, yours truly. It plays well with a controller.

Having a better more customizable UI would be nice, but honestly, out of the things I'd want for this game, it's at the bottom of my list. The only UI improvement I'd really, really like is a minimap.

[Olor]

The UI isn't great but I'm used to it. This thread is pointless.

Also if the game comes with instructions and you don't read them - you don't get any sympathy from me if you whine that you don't know how to do stuff. That said XI only sells as a download now, generally, so, there is no box to get instructions in.