If they were to cap Abyssea to 75+...

[Kingofgeeks]

hmm good question. I guess the players would be SOL just like when they nuked singing in campaign battles, bot fishing, and anyone who missed out on the ability to get a lot of exp in an SMN burn party

[Miiyo]

I'm just saying the game was more fun before Abyssea. Also i like to add people looked down on Astral burns but Abyssea burn is no different.

The game was not more fun before abyssea. It was highly outdated and people were SICK of the current endgame. Want proof? Go see the lack of people doing it. Is there a rule saying you can't do it? Nope. Are there more restrictions to the zone because of abyssea? Newp. So, all we're left with is people don't want to do it? Yup. People were dropping like flies from the game cause you can only do dyna, einherjar, sky, and sea for so long before you get sick of it. I'll agree. This topic is very stupid. Use your brainpower to suggest some better ideas. We've heard the same "Abyssea sucks" from multiple people. Abyssea only started sucking after you got most of what you wanted. There were very little complaints before then.

[Malamasala]

I think a good thing to be aware of is that if abyssea was capped 70+, I wouldn't level more new jobs, and everyone in their 40s wanting more party members wouldn't gain a single thing by the change. (From me, I'm sure some are still too devoted to leveling to care how they do it... but they'd probably astral burn)

[Alhanelem]

Taking bets on how many replies there will be to this thread:

Neither side is going to convince the other of anything.

[Mylynx]

The game was not more fun before abyssea. It was highly outdated and people were SICK of the current endgame. Want proof? Go see the lack of people doing it. Is there a rule saying you can't do it? Nope. Are there more restrictions to the zone because of abyssea? Newp. So, all we're left with is people don't want to do it? Yup. People were dropping like flies from the game cause you can only do dyna, einherjar, sky, and sea for so long before you get sick of it. I'll agree. This topic is very stupid. Use your brainpower to suggest some better ideas. We've heard the same "Abyssea sucks" from multiple people. Abyssea only started sucking after you got most of what you wanted. There were very little complaints before then.

1st of all this is my opinion which you can clearly see, and how did i almost get everthing? my highest job is 58...im a new player complaining how i had more fun with partying witch is the fun part to me before aby came out (cousin had the game)

[Elexia]

Certain people just won't accept someone can have differing opinions, especially about FFXI.

XI is a cesspool for new players, but it's heaven for long time players.

[Harukusan]

Skipped past all the rambling and nonsense that most threads tend to run into.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed being invited to good parties regularly in the old days because I made a good impression on people and displayed that I can perform my jobs well. This is the kind of sign and acknowledgement that kept me going well before abyssea and even level sync were introduced. I looked at it this way: if you couldn't get a party that was at least half decent, there's a good chance it was because there was something wrong with you. Whether you had no idea what you were doing, were poorly geared, or just had a bad attitude. Nowadays all this doesn't apply to anyone anymore. You can be awfully gimp and still weasel your way into abyssea to get a job to 90, and the odds someone will notice your lack of performance is greatly reduced. If you ask me, I'd say you all got your get out of jail free cards in an abundant surplus that never seems to run out, no matter how man are used. I feel like certain people (mainly newer players) should have to meet requirements before they are allowed to gain access to the easy road, just so they can understand what we went through to truly learn how to play the game. Pre-Abyssea, I thought of exp parties as like the study time to perfect the skills necessary to progress to the end game content.

Gotta learn to crawl before you walk. Many players are trying to run a marathon with wobbly legs. Thanks Abyssea, MMM, level sync, and whatever else made peoples' lives unnecessarily easier. Let's just hand you all relic/mythic/empyrean weapons, top notch gear, and everything else that took real veteran players years to achieve, only so you can still be outperformed because you never learned how to use it.

[Kensagaku]

Skipped past all the rambling and nonsense that most threads tend to run into.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed being invited to good parties regularly in the old days because I made a good impression on people and displayed that I can perform my jobs well. This is the kind of sign and acknowledgement that kept me going well before abyssea and even level sync were introduced. I looked at it this way: if you couldn't get a party that was at least half decent, there's a good chance it was because there was something wrong with you. Whether you had no idea what you were doing, were poorly geared, or just had a bad attitude. Nowadays all this doesn't apply to anyone anymore. You can be awfully gimp and still weasel your way into abyssea to get a job to 90, and the odds someone will notice your lack of performance is greatly reduced. If you ask me, I'd say you all got your get out of jail free cards in an abundant surplus that never seems to run out, no matter how man are used. I feel like certain people (mainly newer players) should have to meet requirements before they are allowed to gain access to the easy road, just so they can understand what we went through to truly learn how to play the game. Pre-Abyssea, I thought of exp parties as like the study time to perfect the skills necessary to progress to the end game content.

Gotta learn to crawl before you walk. Many players are trying to run a marathon with wobbly legs. Thanks Abyssea, MMM, level sync, and whatever else made peoples' lives unnecessarily easier. Let's just hand you all relic/mythic/empyrean weapons, top notch gear, and everything else that took real veteran players years to achieve, only so you can still be outperformed because you never learned how to use it.

This is a common argument, and no offense intended, it's a weak one. Unless you're a completely new player, burning a job up to 90 isn't detrimental short of gimping your gear, which is easily fixed. In terms of skill, any player who does the proper research can pick up a job quickly. especially if they ask advice from veterans of the job on the finer points. The problem is that a lot of the people who burn their jobs are lazy. They're content having that blue number by their job, not learning how to play it, not taking the time to skill up and gear it before trying to do big things, etc. The only problem with "easy mode" is that it encourages laziness.

tl;dr It's not that you have to have old-school parties to learn to play your job, it's that you have to not be lazy to do so. Most people who burn are. >.>

[Direwolfe]

You need a solution? Learn to solo. Any of the jobs can be soloed if you're skilled enough.

[Karbuncle]

1st of all this is my opinion which you can clearly see if your ignorant ass looked through it, and how did i almost get everthing? my highest job is 58...im a new player complaining how i had more fun with partying witch is the fun part to me before aby came out (cousin had the game)

You should not resort to bad attitudes and cursing unnecessarily when trying to make a point.

(The following is Not directed at quoted person )

Now, Maybe its just me, but Personally I find it offensive new players complain about exp at all, back when i leveled my first job, We didn't get 200exp for Even match mobs, or 400+ from Exp level mobs, We didn't have the "Signet' Bonuses to EVA/DEF on ~EM mobs, which meant back in the day it was much more difficult to solo than it is today. We didn't have Fields of Valor, or a lot of the new Low-level stuff. We didn't have EXP Rings, and back then 10k/hr Was a god-tier Party, even the best Merit camps were looking at 15k/hr being god-tier on RAMS and ROCS. Hell back when i FIRST started, a little before CoP Release, SKY was the best Merit camp.... SKY! Most of you new people probably don't even know what that is!

Leveling low level jobs back when the game was only ~2yrs old was harder than it is now, People crying they didn't get an invite after flagging up for 1 hour is insulting too. I used to sit LFG on my THF for HOURS back during the day, I couldn't even solo as well as i could now. I was forced to solo DC~EM mobs with the accuracy/attack of fking T/VT spamming Status Bolts to stay alive, killing 1 mob every 5 minutes for 100 exp IF I WAS LUCKY. It was awful. I remember getting owned by a Decent Challenge Antican PLDs on regular basis cause they resisted bloody bolts.

New players just complain so much. Go back to the time when the best party set up almost needed 2 Healers, always having downtime, and 10k/hr was AMAZING. Really, GO level in those conditions then come back and we'll talk.

I've leveled jobs In both eras, And i can say its 900x Easier to level now. All you need to do is flag up, and go do some Fields Of Valor while waiting for an Invite. It may take a while, But at least you guys have Options now. Back in the day we had very few options, and any options we had were criminally slow exp.