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  1. #181
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    More people learn their jobs better through research and passing high school math classes.
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  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenshibaby View Post
    I can say one thing about me leveling WHM as my first 75 over the course of a couple of years is that I have developed a semi-reliable internal timer where I have an excellent sense of when to re-cast things, if I am paying attention at least.
    Even Console/Non-Windower WHMs know that you can just recast 3 minute buffs (Haste, etc) 1 Vana'Diel hour later than the original cast =/. Or was that something you didn't learn exp'ing all those jobs up for your Maat's cap?
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Attack has Decreasing returns. Where, in what dimension, on what planet, can a 10% increase in Attack correlate to greater than a 10% increase in damage? Seriously, you're beyond inept. What the hell sort of talk is this? "Haste whoring DDs can't control their hate"? Really?
    Attack does not consistently have diminishing returns. Accuracy, yes, but not attack. It has occasional plateaus in calculating pDIF, but it more often has consistent increase in pDIF.
    Here is a very simple explanation of how 10% increase in attack gives more than 10% increase in damage: Someone hitting for X damage against a high def mob for 0 damage. Maybe with that 10% they start hitting for 6-11 or so, but let's just say 1. 1 divided by 0 is undefined, but it is far higher than a 10% increase. Before you say this is rare blah blah blah, note I am pointing out the other extreme. It doesn't magically switch over to attack being "diminishing returns".

    Physical damage increases proportionately with pDIF, which increases at about 120% of the atk/def ratio, depending on if it is at a plateau or not. For example, if your ATK is 300 and the mob's DEF is 250, the atk/def is 1.2. If your ATK goes to 330, it becomes 1.32. The pDIF will go from a 0.8-1.3 range to about a 1.0-1.5 range, which can be as high as 25% a difference. This is not the maximum by any stretch, just an example.
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  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Even Console/Non-Windower WHMs know that you can just recast 3 minute buffs (Haste, etc) 1 Vana'Diel hour later than the original cast =/. Or was that something you didn't learn exp'ing all those jobs up for your Maat's cap?
    lol You really love making those Maat's cap digs for some reason, to which I can only speculate. I can assure yo I know all my jobs as well as I claim to, and while I know some better than others, I am more than qualified to hold my own on any of them. Unlike you, I learned and earned my jobs.
    Of course I know that about the Vana'diel clock, but I don't need it or use it.
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  5. #185
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    All of this fails to convey where you would use songs other than March/March and which songs they would be.

    If you're going to argue something out of principle, at least make it something that isn't so heavily stacked against you.

    Edit: And I exp'd my first jobs before Colibri even existed =/ Rdm, my 7th job, was the only one that got the Abyssea treatment. You seem to forget that fairly often.
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  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenshibaby View Post
    Physical damage increases proportionately with pDIF, which increases at about 120% of the atk/def ratio, depending on if it is at a plateau or not. For example, if your ATK is 300 and the mob's DEF is 250, the atk/def is 1.2. If your ATK goes to 330, it becomes 1.32. The pDIF will go from a 0.8-1.3 range to about a 1.0-1.5 range, which can be as high as 25% a difference. This is not the maximum by any stretch, just an example.
    I'm not gonna do the math on it now because it's late at night, but how can that be as high as a 25% difference?

    Really interested to see your character with all of the anti-haste talk. How antiquated.

    EDIT: Is this you?

    http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Gilgamesh/Tenshibaby#home

    if so, you should stop right now.
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    Last edited by RaenRyong; 04-02-2011 at 03:41 PM.
    This is Sakurawr, not Raen D:

  7. #187
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    I saw your comments earlier about beating most rdm's and tbh not so great guardian WHO CARES! its a game and by saying i beat everyone well good for being a kid trying to get attention. I am level 90 rdm i got it the hard way but im not against leaching if you actually learned about the job. tbh i have learned that rdm is not actually used much in abyssea thats why i leveled blu and others. All i can say is grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarolin View Post
    I saw your comments earlier about beating most rdm's and tbh not so great guardian WHO CARES! its a game and by saying i beat everyone well good for being a kid trying to get attention. I am level 90 rdm i got it the hard way but im not against leaching if you actually learned about the job. tbh i have learned that rdm is not actually used much in abyssea thats why i leveled blu and others. All i can say is grow up.
    How does it feel to have completely missed the entire point of that post?
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  9. #189
    Player tarolin's Avatar
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    what saying your better than most hard earned rdms um....... /poke
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarolin View Post
    what saying your better than most hard earned rdms um....... /poke
    The point was that how someone leveled doesn't determine how good/bad they are. Any good FFXI player can pick up any job in the game, leech it to 90, and be better than any random Trog in Jeuno that leveled the "real way". I could care less about my ego. The fact of the matter is that most people suck at FFXI. It's not hard to be better than 90% of the other players in the game just by performing at a basic level.
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