Swan Song of Vana'diel; ~Why I Won't Play the Mobile Native App~

[Atomic_Skull]

To be honest I think the mobile app is gonna be a massive flop. FFXI is a console/pcmasterrace game. Always has been. Had they been willing to sink money into a complete rebuild of the game or even a port over to the XIV engine I wouldve given them a hell of a lot better of a chance in that area than a cheap mobile app from Nexcon :/

Maybe things might change in the long run but I dont see it working out well in the future.

SE doesn't have a good history with FF properties developed by third parties, none have ever finished development.

[Duskira]

What's with all the FFXIV hate? I play XIV as well and I love it. Granted, I get that a lot of your frustrations are due to loyalty to a game you've spent a great many years playing... and I can't really understand where you're coming from because I just started XI yesterday, and I've logged 1.5 hours total. Nothing compared to your tireless devotion and countless hours spent.

I'm glad I get to experience Vana'diel! I hope to get many months, hopefully years, of playing in! But all things do come to an end. I know it's sad, it's hard, it's not something we ever want to experience... but it's reality. :/

I probably won't play the mobile app either. If I do download it, it'll be just to see what it looks like. I'll still be plugging away at Vana'diel on my laptop.

I'll be splitting my time between Eorzea and Vana'diel, but loving both.

[vienne]

What's with all the FFXIV hate? I play XIV as well and I love it. Granted, I get that a lot of your frustrations are due to loyalty to a game you've spent a great many years playing... and I can't really understand where you're coming from because I just started XI yesterday, and I've logged 1.5 hours total. Nothing compared to your tireless devotion and countless hours spent.

I'm glad I get to experience Vana'diel! I hope to get many months, hopefully years, of playing in! But all things do come to an end. I know it's sad, it's hard, it's not something we ever want to experience... but it's reality. :/

I probably won't play the mobile app either. If I do download it, it'll be just to see what it looks like. I'll still be plugging away at Vana'diel on my laptop.

I'll be splitting my time between Eorzea and Vana'diel, but loving both.

People dont hate ffxiv, they're just dissapointed in what it is. Think all us so called "haters" wish xiv the best but have settled with the idea that its just not our type of game we want to dump many hours in.....also well that money to develop xiv did have to come from somewhere.

[Duskira]

And it is sad to see so much sadness here on the forums, as a new player. Not that I blame any of you - had I been playing a game this long only to have it being effectively ending, I'd be pretty damn sad too.

But while you're disappointed in what XIV is, that's not really the fault of the developers. They used that money to make a successor to XI, and while it's very different, there's a reason for that... XIV 1.0 was VERY reminiscent of XI in a lot of ways... and it was a critical and commercial failure. The changes they've made have distanced it from XI, which is actually what has caused it to flourish. It's now a critical and commercial success. I have a hard time faulting SE for listening to the overwhelming majority of people calling their game "crap" and remaking it to fit the wants/needs of the playerbase.

As a newbie to XI, I also wish SE had put more effort into revamping XI a bit... graphical updates, etc. Though the graphics are actually not bothering me as much as I thought they would. Maybe it's because the PS2 was the console I spent the most time playing on (I have a PS3 but I have a grand total of 3 games for it: FFXIII, FFXIV, and a game called LIMBO), but I'm actually digging the XI graphics. Still, a little extra TLC to XI in those areas would've been nice.

I can't have a truly strong opinion, because I can't imagine the situation long-time players are in, but being bitter at SE for using XI's sub money to fund a new project is kinda... I dunno. Isn't that how business works? A movie production company makes a movie, it sells millions, which finances the next project. A record label releases an album, it sells millions, it allows them to fund other albums. A video game company releases a game, it generates revenue, it allows them to put money towards a new project.

I'm sure XI subs helped, at least in part, fund several other SE projects in addition to XIV.

[vienne]

And it is sad to see so much sadness here on the forums, as a new player. Not that I blame any of you - had I been playing a game this long only to have it being effectively ending, I'd be pretty damn sad too.

But while you're disappointed in what XIV is, that's not really the fault of the developers. They used that money to make a successor to XI, and while it's very different, there's a reason for that... XIV 1.0 was VERY reminiscent of XI in a lot of ways... and it was a critical and commercial failure. The changes they've made have distanced it from XI, which is actually what has caused it to flourish. It's now a critical and commercial success. I have a hard time faulting SE for listening to the overwhelming majority of people calling their game "crap" and remaking it to fit the wants/needs of the playerbase.

FFXIV 1.0 was a commercial flop cause they launched an unfinished game. I actually enjoyed playing the version of the game just before FFVIX ARR, but the game it is now....its something totally different. I've tried it a couple of times and although almost my whole ls is on there i dont see myself playing it. I guess i'll have to settle with the thought that i'm one of those grindy niche people.

[Shirai]

Not quite actually. Even in its 1.0 form XIV was a vastly different game from FFXI.
The huge mistake they made with XIV 1.0 was completely ignoring the huge amount of beta testers telling them to wait a few months and to actually develop some content for it, but they decided to release the game in a state far from ready for commercial release.

That said, I don't hate FFXIV. I've even played it for a couple of months, but it simply isn't a game I feel at home in.

[Seillan]

Not quite actually. Even in its 1.0 form XIV was a vastly different game from FFXI.
The huge mistake they made with XIV 1.0 was completely ignoring the huge amount of beta testers telling them to wait a few months and to actually develop some content for it, but they decided to release the game in a state far from ready for commercial release.

Exactly. Comparing 1.0 to FFXI -- and even using that as a basis for why the game failed -- is a huge insult to FFXI, in my opinion. It's also just plain wrong.

[Atomic_Skull]

But while you're disappointed in what XIV is, that's not really the fault of the developers. They used that money to make a successor to XI, and while it's very different, there's a reason for that... XIV 1.0 was VERY reminiscent of XI in a lot of ways... and it was a critical and commercial failure.

It flopped because it was a bad game with copypasted zones running on a terrible poorly programmed game engine that looked like something from 2005 but which had high end system requirements in 2010. Tanaka siphoned development funds from FFXI to make this turd starting around when COP was released and left FFXI to rot. Any planning for the eventual end of PS2 services and migration of the dev environment to the PC was not considered necessary as Tanaka had deluded himself into thinking we'd all just quit FFXI and switched to FFXIV and they could just pull the plug on the servers.

Then they had to do a complete rebuild of the game from the ground up which pretty much sealed FFXI's fate at that point as they couldn't afford to rebuild FFXIV *and* modernize FFXI at the same time.

So yes I hate FFXIV, it's hard for me not to when it murdered something I love. I hate it with the blazing fury of a thousand angry suns.

[WoW]

People dont hate ffxiv, they're just dissapointed in what it is. Think all us so called "haters" wish xiv the best but have settled with the idea that its just not our type of game we want to dump many hours in.....also well that money to develop xiv did have to come from somewhere.

I agree with this;

Will add my personal experience of being a bandwagon mmo player.

I have no loyalties to any game; will play the MMO which gives me the most enjoyment.

I do not enjoy FFXIV, some do, this is all subjective.

not sure if anyone is hating per se, but they may not enjoy it.

[Duskira]

Exactly. Comparing 1.0 to FFXI -- and even using that as a basis for why the game failed -- is a huge insult to FFXI, in my opinion. It's also just plain wrong.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Of course it was an entirely different game, but there were a lot of similarities to FFXI in 1.0 - exact copy, obviously not, but similar in a lot of ways. I meant no insult to XI, but let's be honest: almost nobody plays XI anymore while XIV has a huge playerbase. Which happened AFTER 1.0... after they further distanced themselves from XI. That said, I'm very happy I've picked XI up. I found a great LS, and the in-game community is very helpful and friendly. I've yet to meet a single player with a bad attitude - several even gave me large amounts of gil after asking if I was a new player! I completely understand why people left XI, but, I'm pretty sure I'll be playing it for a long while.

I can't wait to start unlocking some advanced Jobs.