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    Player Bluestar2kx's Avatar
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    I've definitely found issues with hate control and healer trusts.
    They just peal hate clean off and it's very tough to get it back because they sit and cure spam themselves, this is esp an issue at lower levels.
    My 99 dnc doesn't have any issues but she has a high atk speed and greater power over the trust npcs, and roams with a rdm partner.

    But my other jobs have more issues. My pld is most notable lately with karaha-baruha because I've used it recently (and she only just got cure IV). Not so much an issue with blm type trusts tho, that new sch lady wasn't an issue at all, I've not tried cherukiki though, as she favors regen it might not be too bad.
    I've not tried pup yet either with like tank trusts and such to see how things are reflected.
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    Player Zeargi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluestar2kx View Post
    But my other jobs have more issues. My pld is most notable lately with karaha-baruha because I've used it recently (and she only just got cure IV). Not so much an issue with blm type trusts tho, that new sch lady wasn't an issue at all, I've not tried cherukiki though, as she favors regen it might not be too bad.
    I've not tried pup yet either with like tank trusts and such to see how things are reflected.
    Karaha-Baruha's other problem is that he also has Heavy Hitting WS's and will try his best to close Darkness or MB with Lunar Bay/Howling Moon.
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    Player Bluestar2kx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    Karaha-Baruha's other problem is that he also has Heavy Hitting WS's and will try his best to close Darkness or MB with Lunar Bay/Howling Moon.
    I generally don't have much issue with that, generates a lot of hate and usually gets him attacked, but afterwards the mob is usually just about dead anyway. I kind of like his SC/MBing with it. Only downside is obviously, AoE aggro from it, that can be a problem.

    But his regular spells seem to be the worst offenders.

    It feels to me like either enmity from dmg was dropped too much (though enmity from atk speed seems intact), or something else was changed with the cap and enmity reduction that's causing these problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluestar2kx View Post
    I generally don't have much issue with that, generates a lot of hate and usually gets him attacked, but afterwards the mob is usually just about dead anyway. I kind of like his SC/MBing with it. Only downside is obviously, AoE aggro from it, that can be a problem.

    But his regular spells seem to be the worst offenders.

    It feels to me like either enmity from dmg was dropped too much (though enmity from atk speed seems intact), or something else was changed with the cap and enmity reduction that's causing these problems.
    it seems that enmity from damage inflicted was reduced, a problem if your only method of hate control was dealing damage. but enmity reduction from damage you receive was left in place as was enmity generated by a cure. therefore as the "tank" you have less enmity on the mob in the 1st place, if you've taken enough damage to REQUIRE a heal then the enmity on you has been reduced AND the healer is going to cure with full enmity, thus claiming enmity. The answer, at least for now, is obviously main or sub dancer or a mage job that can heal, or play pld and take care of curing yourself-think Trust Curilla. the Trust problem will be that the healer trusts will likely beat you to self-curing, and short of doing without a whm trust I'm not sure what the answer is. Using Koru or Arciella seem to be good, they heal slower and may be casting something else, giving you time to get that self-cure off. and it holds hate almost as well as an animated flourish now. I can tell you this, doing my job on Pld has gotten a lot easier now.
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    Player AtrixWolfe's Avatar
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    If damage itself across the board does less to generate enmity then I don't see how all these strats with THF tanking will still work. I also don't see how trick attack is supposed to stick hate to anyone since it does it through damage.
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