The importance of job points

[Tidis]

I would wager that the majority of players haven't capped a job of their job point categories, it's all well and good saying, "Look how amazing I am, I already capped my job points, why are these people complaining, CP rate is fine, they just want handouts", you are part of the minority, it is in SE's best interest to have their content be as inclusive as possible, job points isn't inclusive in it's current form and will definitely be the case if they raise the category caps beyond 10 each.

You see it as an accomplishment fine, you have it, you're already reaping the rewards for being the early adopters to a broken system, you get all the job gifts and all the superior gear right now, while players like me will probably wait and just casually obtain Job Points until an inevitable nerf to Job Points happens and it will.

[Singforu]

/doubleheadesk

Just because something is cheaper doesn't mean you got a handout or got something for free. The 2 have entirely different meanings and connotations. At best you could call this a sale or keeping up with the time, adjusting for changes in the market, deflation etc. I mean even the smallest flat screen used to cost tons but now they are cheap and no one other than the salemen would say they are giving them away

/tripleheadesk

yes it does mean if something is cheaper you got a handout or something for free. Go buy a car. The salesman sells it to you for one dollar. If you don't think you just got 99% of that car for free you are deluding yourself.

[Singforu]

I would wager that the majority of players haven't capped a job of their job point categories, it's all well and good saying, "Look how amazing I am, I already capped my job points, why are these people complaining, CP rate is fine, they just want handouts", you are part of the minority, it is in SE's best interest to have their content be as inclusive as possible, job points isn't inclusive in it's current form and will definitely be the case if they raise the category caps beyond 10 each.

You see it as an accomplishment fine, you have it, you're already reaping the rewards for being the early adopters to a broken system, you get all the job gifts and all the superior gear right now, while players like me will probably wait and just casually obtain Job Points until an inevitable nerf to Job Points happens and it will.

except that's not what is happening. looking at the people arguing that CP rate is fine, they don't have capped JP. JP is inclusive in its current form. Everyone can get them. Just because you don't get them in one day doesn't make them exclusive. The only "nerf" of JP I see happening that hasn't already happened is even more capacity rate gain from higher levels of gifts. Since they have already shown getting a rate increase at 5, 25, 55, and 95 i'm going to go out on a limb here and say the next ones will be at 145, 205, 275, and 355.

[FrankReynolds]

/tripleheadesk

yes it does mean if something is cheaper you got a handout or something for free. Go buy a car. The salesman sells it to you for one dollar. If you don't think you just got 99% of that car for free you are deluding yourself.

There's a huge difference between paying what something is worth and getting something for free. It can easily be missed when you use terms like "99% off" in your analogies because that is a gross exaggeration of what people actually want. taking 99% off of a $30,000 car is about as close to free as one could hope. Taking %50 off of a $30,000 car is a great deal, but It's still a $15,000 car. And if most people didn't really think the car was worth anywhere near $30,000 to begin with, it's probably actually the correct price.

Using hyperbole like 99% off a car or 100 alex Mythics is a great argument technique if people don't know any better, but we do know better and no one asked of that.

[dasva]

/tripleheadesk

yes it does mean if something is cheaper you got a handout or something for free. Go buy a car. The salesman sells it to you for one dollar. If you don't think you just got 99% of that car for free you are deluding yourself.

Right because everyone here is asking for 99% off right? Try again with without the strawmen

[detlef]

Oh no Singforu found this thread.

[Singforu]

Right because everyone here is asking for 99% off right? Try again with without the strawmen

it's not a strawman, but yours is. any # will do, doesn't matter the amount. I will bring it back to JP though for you that can't figure out the similarities of asking something as reducing price is same as getting something for free:

say you are getting 100 CP a kill. It would take 300 kills to get a JP.
SE then makes it so you get 300 CP a kill.
In 300 kills you are getting 3 JP. That's 2 JP for free for the work of only doing 1.

[Singforu]

There's a huge difference between paying what something is worth and getting something for free. It can easily be missed when you use terms like "99% off" in your analogies because that is a gross exaggeration of what people actually want. taking 99% off of a $30,000 car is about as close to free as one could hope. Taking %50 off of a $30,000 car is a great deal, but It's still a $15,000 car. And if most people didn't really think the car was worth anywhere near $30,000 to begin with, it's probably actually the correct price.

Using hyperbole like 99% off a car or 100 alex Mythics is a great argument technique if people don't know any better, but we do know better and no one asked of that.

it was an example to prove a point, which clearly went over your head.

[Olor]

YES.

Yes!

No. There's plenty of encouragement in better CP gains to party already.

Thanks for taking the time to consider my suggestions.

Honestly even if just the two you liked were implemented it would make CP a lot more reasonable.

can't figure out the similarities of asking something as reducing price is same as getting something for free

We can't "figure it out" because it's ludicrous. My boots were $100 off. That doesn't mean I got them for free. That's just so many facepalm I can't even count them.

Honestly, its fine to disagree with others. If you really really like how grindy CP is, that's fine. You have a right to that opinion. I don't understand it, because there are enough CP in enough categories that you could grind them for years even if they vastly increased the rate of gain, but again, that's an opinion and a preference and you have a right to it.

But you don't have a right to redefine reality.

[Singforu]

We can't "figure it out" because it's ludicrous. My boots were $100 off. That doesn't mean I got them for free. That's just so many facepalm I can't even count them.

what's facepalm is that you don't realize that you got $100 for free.