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  1. #21
    Player Olor's Avatar
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    I dunno, the difference is that never before did they make most content utterly entirely useless in one fell swoop. Yeah, your really good body piece might no longer be BIS but it wouldn't be completely unwearable anymore...

    With ilevel it feels like every piece of gear is practically the same but with just more or less stat vomit on it. And they have done a crappy job of ensuring that a higher ilevel is better gear (lots of 118 and 119 is not really any better than 117)

    Like upgraded skirmish clothes... actually aren't really a lot better than 117 without great augments... and frankly I can't be arsed to spend millions of gil on random augments for a piece of gear that ends up being only marginally better than the coalition gear. It's not fun.

    I used to be able to do a ton of events to get gear upgrades that actually felt worthwhile. Some of those events I could do solo, lots of them were causal. Now none of the events that drop gear worth getting are solo or casual except WOE stuff and wildskeeper both of which mostly drop gear that's worse than coalition gear. (Unless you counting OAT for lolcontent)
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    Player Finuve's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnejing View Post
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    I see...recently enough too...I guess I will be done sooner than I hoped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
    With ilevel it feels like every piece of gear is practically the same but with just more or less stat vomit on it. And they have done a crappy job of ensuring that a higher ilevel is better gear (lots of 118 and 119 is not really any better than 117)
    An item could have NO stats on it except ilev 119 and it would *still* be better than literally anything lower than ilev 119. And therein lies the problem.

    The grind is currently too high to expect people to keep putting forth the effort to obtain the items when they know that a higher ilev and a gear reset is always just around the corner.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
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    Last edited by Atomic_Skull; 11-12-2014 at 02:11 PM.

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    Not true at all, people still use ilevel 115 gear like the Wildskeeper reive items and delve items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    Not true at all, people still use ilevel 115 gear like the Wildskeeper reive items and delve items.
    People use lower ilev gear because they know that it's a waste of time grinding ilev 119 when SE will just flush all their hard work down the toilet while making the trollface.
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    Last edited by Atomic_Skull; 11-12-2014 at 05:12 PM.

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    Or you don't understand the concept of gear swapping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    That just means they don't understand how much ilev affects their character.
    This interests me. Can you explain how exactly ilvl gear affects your character besides the stats and avg level on it?
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    An item could have NO stats on it except ilev 119 and it would *still* be better than literally anything lower than ilev 119. And therein lies the problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    People use lower ilev gear because they know that it's a waste of time grinding ilev 119 when SE will just flush all their hard work down the toilet while making the trollface.

    It's because additional stats on the ilevel 115 gear make your job perform better than their iLevel 119 counterpart.
    Stats make the gear, not that little number called iLevel.

    There is a reason why my Thaumas coat is still my prefered TP body on most content, with the right buffs even on VD, and that thing doesn't even have an iLevel.

    Neither is there a replacement yet for my Nares Trews for idle, Orison Pantaloons +2 and Orison Bliaut +2 for cures, and there's plenty of other older non-iLevel gear that still outshines iLevel gear by miles even on high level content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    Or you don't understand the concept of gear swapping.
    It must be that, although I have a larger impression that it's more a case of being completely oblivious to game mechanics and not even wanting to learn.
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    Last edited by Shirai; 11-12-2014 at 07:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raydeus View Post
    This interests me. Can you explain how exactly ilvl gear affects your character besides the stats and avg level on it?
    well, pet levels...but thats all I got

    The fact that a few pieces of lower ilevel shine through doesnt make the fact that the vast majority of gear is dumped for higher ilvl any less shit though
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  10. #30
    Absolutely not, pet level: is just another stat which physically makes your pet a certain level, which also happens to raise its stats accordingly.

    ILevel itself doesn't do anything, it's the statvomit that raises your stats to that comparable to a level 119 player which is mainly helpful for defense, evasion and magic evasion.
    It's the other stats on the gear that determine if a piece is good or not.
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