Do you think one day there will be a MMORPG where helping others....

[Spectreman]

Benefits yourself?

Like here we have endgame gear being sold while in other MMORPGs we have similar things.

I imagine how a newbie might feel after getting 117 gear and realizing he has no chance of either joining an endgame ls and will have to amass 50mil gil at least to buy delve wins.

I know thats utopia but wouldn't it be nice if the game rewarded veterans for helping others with these things?

[Pixela]

Well you don't have to buy those wins, you don't have to do high tier delve or have that gear at all.

The majority of players of this game don't do those fights, the majority of players have never and never will do the top tier endgame content of FFXI or any other mmo.

The truth of the matter is the merc thing is only as popular as it is because people pay it, if they refused there would be no buyers and nobody would do it. Desperation would lead to more linkshells being made and more doing it. The merc system ruins games but it's hard to stop it once it starts.

[Spectreman]

Well you don't have to buy those wins, you don't have to do high tier delve or have that gear at all.

The majority of players of this game don't do those fights, the majority of players have never and never will do the top tier endgame content of FFXI or any other mmo.

The truth of the matter is the merc thing is only as popular as it is because people pay it, if they refused there would be no buyers and nobody would do it. Desperation would lead to more linkshells being made and more doing it. The merc system ruins games but it's hard to stop it once it starts.

Yea this is not about making veterans look bad by selling endgame content, not at all. It was just myself thinking if there will be a MMORPG in the future that promotes helping to a level where those things don't need to exist at all.

[Ris]

Yea this is not about making veterans look bad by selling endgame content, not at all. It was just myself thinking if there will be a MMORPG in the future that promotes helping to a level where those things don't need to exist at all.

The problem is game designers want there to be a hierarchy of players. They don't like selling... because it helps players get gear they "shouldn't" be able to get. Just look at interviews of the devs...

[Siviard]

After extensive research and an in-depth investigation, I have discovered why you are having such difficulty. Especially take note of the BOLDED portion.

Character:Silvervalkyrie
World:Asura
Main Class:THF Lv 50

In order to remedy your situation, I highly recommend you move to a different server.

[Spectreman]

The problem is game designers want there to be a hierarchy of players. They don't like selling... because it helps players get gear they "shouldn't" be able to get. Just look at interviews of the devs...

Yea, without players selling most of these players would never have a shot at endgame at all.

[Spectreman]

After extensive research and an in-depth investigation, I have discovered why you are having such difficulty. Especially take note of the BOLDED portion.

hehe this is not my main ^^


In order to remedy your situation, I highly recommend you move to a different server.

I was thinking about new players when they reach the 117 gear. I'm always worried if FFXI can retain new players cause without them the game will die.

[Raydeus]

Well, having the game rewarding players for helping newbies and newbies paying for Merc services are pretty much the same thing, the only thing that changes is who is paying the bill.

One way I see to encourage players to take newbies along would be by increasing drop rates on completion when someone without the win is in the alliance, maybe even guaranteeing a drop per newbie. Alternatively they could add special items that normally wouldn't drop there but will drop if a player without the win is in the alliance with increased drop rate for each newbie you bring along.

However choosing the rewards would be a pain because people will undoubtedly resort to leveling alts in order to obtain the special rewards, which may or may not mean newbies wont be invited anyway unless some elegibility restrictions are put in place.

In other words I'm glad I'm not a dev and I don't have to deal with this kinda thing. But I hope something like this will happen in the game (and MMOs in general) someday.

[Draylo]

How do you think ANYONE got past 117 gear level? Did they buy it too? Why can't those people team up and get a win on their own? You realize how laughably easy Delve is now in a low man setting, especially since beads are 100% drop rate? You can lock out three Nms, kill the two easiest ones and then you have 30m to kill one mega boss NM. I can't understand how it is so hard for people now. If that is the case, just level BRD and you won't even need ilevel gear lol.

[Raydeus]

How do you think ANYONE got past 117 gear level? Did they buy it too? Why can't those people team up and get a win on their own? You realize how laughably easy Delve is now in a low man setting, especially since beads are 100% drop rate? You can lock out three Nms, kill the two easiest ones and then you have 30m to kill one mega boss NM. I can't understand how it is so hard for people now. If that is the case, just level BRD and you won't even need ilevel gear lol.

Mainly because newbies don't know any of things you are talking about. They don't know how easy or difficult is, nor how many people they actually need or what party compositions to take, on top of being in a PUG to begin with. Etc. etc.

And that is the point, if you are on an alt and already did all this stuff on another character of course it's going to be much easier for you to do it a second time. But if you are new to it or even new to end game in a MMOG then you don't have the experience to make it the less painful way. So you are going to stumble around while you learn. And how many PUGs are willing to spend that much time experimenting like that? In that case you are better off with a LS, but then we go back to the original issue.


PS > And telling people to level up another job just to get it done is the kind of stuff that makes people drop games like this one, specially considering who would realistically want to take a newbie that rushed BRD to 99 just to get the content done, someone who barely knows how to play the job and probably don't even like it to begin with. That's just the type of nonsensical reply you give to someone you just want to dismiss if you ask me.