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  1. #21
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    It takes hours to farm Dom Notes which you can also exchange for NPCable weapons and "cash in" with(same as sparks).
    Which, by the way, is a completely legitimate use for them.

    Nobody is saying that locks intended as RMT countermeasures are effective at stopping ppl doing stuff like that, only that it causes inconvenience to to everyone - including RMT.
    Why should ordinary players be inconvenienced just for the sake of inconveniencing RMT? Which, i might add, are barely a problem at all in the game anymore. If anything it inconveniences ordinary players more than it does RMT.

    Also, your example of dominion notes is a poor one because dominion notes don't have the low cap that sparks do. The restarting of pages is also nothing like hitting the sparks cap. You're not limited to anywhere near the same degree in how many pages you can do or notes you can obtain.

    I'm sorry. "Becuase RMT" is not a legitimate reason to hassle the playerbase. They can come up with ways of stopping RMT that don't involve arbitrary restrictions on what normal players can do. I also do not accept that RMT is the reason for the current sparks cap in the first place.

    The Countermeasures are a "gesture" more than anything.
    Instead of making worthless guestures, they should be spending their time coming up with real solutions. A guesture to the playerbase that they'd like to make life in Vanadiel more convenient would be a lot more appriciated. Your admission that they are little more than guestures is proof that they don't need to exist.

    If they find that vendoring items given by spark NPCs is an actual problem, then the solution is simple: Nerf the NPC sell values of the items in question. I maintain it is ridiculous to suggest that the sparks cap is intended as an RMT deterrent.

    Oh, did I mention I get far more gil from opening abyssea teasure boxes than I could possibly get from selling items given by NPCs for sparks? Should we put an arbitrary rule that you must speak to an NPC for every 10 treasure boxes you open or you can't get any more? Maybe we should make it so you have to do a reset quest every 5 avatar fights you beat to prevent people from getting too much gil from those too.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 09-27-2014 at 07:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    The hassle is intended. They are meant to be supplementary, not a primary method. There are other, much better, faster ways to do all the things you want to do with sparks
    This is incorrect, COR's best ammo(which is only ilv117) is only available via sparks. Spamming ilv117 ammo when almost every relevant content are ilv119~ilv 130+ is playing the game as intended. If you spam the ammo like intended design your spark would be fairly low.

    The issue about RMT is easy to solve, just lower the NPC price for spark items to 0. There are 0 reason for sparks cap to be this low, and it's not going to stop solo players farming REM's tale anyways......if you really want to solo REM's tale, you'd just use warp, it doesn't take more than 2 min to dump them.
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    Last edited by Afania; 09-27-2014 at 07:26 AM.

  3. #23
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    This is incorrect, COR's best ammo(which is only ilv117) is only available via sparks. Spamming ilv117 ammo when almost every relevant content are ilv119~ilv 130+ is playing the game as intended. If you spam the ammo like intended design your spark would be fairly low.

    The issue about RMT is easy to solve, just lower the NPC price for spark items to 0.
    +1. If vendoring items is really being abused, then nerfing NPC sale prices is all that is necessary.
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  4. 09-27-2014 08:01 AM

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    Mods, go ahead and lock this thread or nuke it or whatever you guys do. I got my answer.
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  6. 09-27-2014 08:35 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    The hassle is intended.
    "Intended" is not a synonym for right, smart, or justified. Many of us here and the devs themselves would do well to realize that.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    But the point is, I had to be at the computer, and manually unlock each box, and manually take the items out.
    I had to be at the computer, manually taking actions in order to farm my sparks. I had to manually select the objectives I wanted to use, and occasionally manually select new ones if i completed a non-repeatable one.

    As the above poster stated, just because something may have been 'intended' (it is somewhat of a leap from "getting rem tales is intended as supplementary" to "having a 50k cap is intended because it allegedly reinforces this") doesn't mean that it's the right way to do it. And if we don't let them know what we think about their solutions, then there's zero chance of a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    And if we don't let them know what we think about their solutions, then there's zero chance of a change.
    This is mainly just an observation on what I have seen from the development team, but if we go by all of their responses, this forum seems kind of useless. Ideally I agree that the players should let the development team know so they can make a change. The problem is, our responses either consist of "Oh we already have plans for that and It should happen in the near future." OR "We don't have any plans for this." Sometimes they don't even give a reason why there are no plans. The point is, they very rarely, if at all respond with "We currently don't have plans with this but we will talk it over with the development team and we will go from there." I'm not saying that they never talk it over with the development team when it comes to our feedback, but if they do talk our feedback over and consider our ideas, they do shitty job letting us know about it.

    Unfortunately right now it feels like, unless they already have plans for something we suggest, it ain't going to happen. So if they respond to this thread, you better hope they have plans for it already, otherwise you are sol and jwf.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    This is mainly just an observation on what I have seen from the development team, but if we go by all of their responses, this forum seems kind of useless.
    To some extent I agree, but there have been cases where substantial backlash from both sides of the game's community (meaning JP and NA) has produced results. You certainly can't get anything to happen if you don't give any feedback, that much is certain. Even if it's not likely, its better that we speak up than say nothing.
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  11. 09-27-2014 10:29 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixela View Post
    The cap is there to keep you on the mouse running wheel, same reason merits cap. They don't cap because it's a limitation, they cap for player retention/goal reasons.
    End of Topic.
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    Then they're failing because they sure as heck aren't retaining players.
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