Thank you for making both the grind and rewards of the Job Point system so terrible.

[Behemothx]

You, sir, are being laughed at by my entire linkshell. You have brought much joy and laughter to my LS by your simple post. Since you're new around here, I'll give you a little tidbit of information. ABYSSEA KILLED EXP PARTIES!

GEEZ!!!!

The point of the old school EXP parties was to LEARN YOUR JOB AND NOT BE A LAZY LEECHIN' BUM!

If you had to grind through thousands of pink birds to learn your jobs, you're the funny one here.

[Siviard]

If you had to grind through thousands of pink birds to learn your jobs, you're the funny one here.

And if you got your kicks killing worm after worm after worm (wouldn't shock me if you paid someone to cleave while you AFK leeched too) while getting too much EXP too fast and ending up with a vastly underskilled Lv. 99 job, I think it's you that's being laughed at.

I'd challenge you to level BST from 1 to 75 without using NPCs or EXP Ring bonuses, but chances are, you already leech'd that too.

[Quedari]

Yes, please, let's go back to the days of no one getting invites for many hours unless they were BRD or possibly WAR, SAM, or RDM. I totally miss the pink bird grinding for hours to only get 2 merits. I think people QQing about ye old xp pt are forgetting that there were just as many stupid people back then as there are now.

[Demonjustin]

You, sir, are being laughed at by my entire linkshell. You have brought much joy and laughter to my LS by your simple post. Since you're new around here, I'll give you a little tidbit of information. ABYSSEA KILLED EXP PARTIES!

GEEZ!!!!

The point of the old school EXP parties was to LEARN YOUR JOB AND NOT BE A LAZY LEECHIN' BUM!

Well since the logical retort has been made. I just want to point out that what he said was...

are they trying to kill the only form of experience parties that still exists?

As in, that are still present, not as in that ever were. His statement is true because old parties are dead and have been dead quite some time, they are not parties 'that still exist' so by laughing at that post you are pointing out your failure to read it properly, nothing more.

[Siviard]

Yes, please, let's go back to the days of no one getting invites for many hours unless they were BRD or possibly WAR, SAM, or RDM. I totally miss the pink bird grinding for hours to only get 2 merits. I think people QQing about ye old xp pt are forgetting that there were just as many stupid people back then as there are now.

Agreed, but take into consideration that the jobs that got some "not so desired" Job Point categories will most likely choose to not get Job Points on that job at all until a future update gives them something good enough to give them a reason to get onto that job and begin accumulating Job Points. Sadly, SAM fell into that category along with DRG.

The pet jobs got very good stuff to upgrade via Job Points but who's going to invite a BST SMN or PUP? Solo play for them, and to be honest, that's how I played most of my jobs and I'm totally cool with that.

Kudos to SE for the Job Points system! BIG WIN in my book!

[Siviard]

Well since the logical retort has been made. I just want to point out that what he said was...As in, that are still present, not as in that ever were. His statement is true because old parties are dead and have been dead quite some time, they are not parties 'that still exist' so by laughing at that post you are pointing out your failure to read it properly, nothing more.

No Justin. This is what me and my LS saw. I don't know how to do the multi-quoting that you're doing so I'll just use ye olde "quote marks"...

"are they trying to kill the only form of experience parties that still exists"

Which led us to believe that his main complaint was that all people ever do anymore is exp in Abyssea, and since Abyssea was excluded from the Job Points system, that it would altogether kill Abyssea parties.
The real issue is, if Abyssea hadn't been excluded from the Job Point system, there would be AFK leechers getting Job Points all over the place. Which is something I'm sure SE did not want to happen.

The sad truth for the Abyssea EXP'ers is, they now have to learn how to get EXP in the field. No atma, no +50 buff to each stat, no easy 600+ EXP per kill. Nothing. OMG you actually have to put in WORK for these points.

I've said my piece. I'm out. I'll enjoy reading further complaints from people here on how getting Job Points is too hard and takes too long and the like. hehe

[Demonjustin]

No Justin. This is what me and my LS saw. I don't know how to do the multi-quoting that you're doing so I'll just use ye olde "quote marks"...

"are they trying to kill the only form of experience parties that still exists"

Which led us to believe that his main complaint was that all people ever do anymore is exp in Abyssea, and since Abyssea was excluded from the Job Points system, that it would altogether kill Abyssea parties.

Not trying to nit pick, but like I said...

by laughing at that post you are pointing out your failure to read it properly, nothing more.

As for multi-quoting you just put [] with QUOTE inside of it, then the same thing but with a / in it, like so [/QUOTE] in between these two sets you just put whatever you're quoting.



In either case, to be on topic.



I hate the Job Points, but am fine with the system to obtain them. Obtainment takes a little time, my only issue lies in the fact that the ones for the jobs I play most, WHM and RDM, seem worthless to me. Less enmity on Divine Seal cures, MP from Benediction, neither one help me much on WHM since I never use Divine Seal or Benediction, then again, I don't play WHM much so it's less important to me. The RDM ones are just dumb in my opinion. While I will get some small benefit from the Convert bonus, it only helps when meleeing in a few specific situations, and the Chainspell bonus feels lackluster since Chainspell is used for high tier spells which get the lowest bonus from Magic Damage, so by giving me 20 Magic Damage during it I effectively gained like 25 DMG on my Stone IVs, yay. Basically my issue lies more with the reward, less with the content.

[Peepiopi]

The pet jobs got very good stuff to upgrade via Job Points but who's going to invite a BST SMN or PUP? Solo play for them, and to be honest, that's how I played most of my jobs and I'm totally cool with that.

There are no solo-specialists anymore. Once upon a time BST and PUP were solo specialists because they were a couple of very few jobs that could level up to 75 on their own. Because of that, they were often excluded entirely from exp parties even if they were looking to join one. Now, every job can solo to 99 if they wanted to, so that "solo-job" categorization doesn't really apply to any jobs anymore. In fact, with the current gear, there are several jobs that can solo Adoulin areas just as well, if not better, than bst and pup.

These days, any job that is relegated to soloing outdated content and reives because they can't get invites to Delve, AAs, and Ra'Kaznar Skirmishes are basically today's solo-jobs now, which pretty much makes up all but 6 or 7 jobs in the game at the moment. So being called a "solo job" isn't quite as cool as it used to be. It just means your job choice isn't considered good enough for endgame. So I don't really think that just because pet jobs used to be good soloers is a good reason to assign them to "solo play only". I think it's time mentalities like that changed.

I also agree with Demonjustin. Obtaining the job points definitely aren't the problem. They shouldn't be obtainable in Abyssea. Worm parties are boring, and too many people afk through it. And it's not hard to get exp in other ways. Soloing 105+ mobs in chains for example gets a bunch of experience. But the enhancements do really suck at the moment. A few jobs got decent ehancements, but for most jobs, they're negligible benefits.

[Ravenmore]

You, sir, are being laughed at by my entire linkshell. You have brought much joy and laughter to my LS by your simple post. Since you're new around here, I'll give you a little tidbit of information. ABYSSEA KILLED EXP PARTIES!

GEEZ!!!!

The point of the old school EXP parties was to LEARN YOUR JOB AND NOT BE A LAZY LEECHIN' BUM!

LOL and now you are being laughed at. EXp parties taught you one thing and that was how to get exp. Didn't teach rdms to chainspell stun or gear for it and didn't teach DDa how to gear for something harder then Ts. Thfs learned really fast that hate control wasn't their job at endgame and only reason they got to hang around was to tag the mob once to put TH on it and then kicked from the party to get a real DD back in that could do hate control better as /thf then real thfs.

But really old exp parties taught people to leech just like 18 man aby parties right up to 75 then people started caring how bad the gimps performed cause now you had more people too choose from so didn't have to deal with them.

[machini]

Are we ignoring the fact that it's going to take, even if it's only 1 job point per level of job point system option, 1.8 million experience points to get something maxed out? That's at a minimum. If the progression of required points is more like Merits, we're probably looking at something more like 4.5 million experience per job point ability maxed out, and 9 for a current job's two abilities