I think I'm finished; a new player's final thoughts

[Demonjustin]

Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

Some things on the wiki are flat out confusing, also not everyone can read something and instantly pick it up with no issues. I don't feel like going into a big long rant on why exactly it's stupid to expect everyone to learn everything super easy from a single guide or for someone to learn everything off wiki by looking it up instantly, but let me cover some examples.

Pankration, simple enough event once you understand, but if you went to wiki and looked it up as I did when I first heard about it(about 2~3 years ago, literally my first or second day after going to Aht for the first time) you wouldn't have understood any of it at all, and been at a total loss as I was most likely.

ZNMs, same as Pankration, confused me to no end originally, I tried to understand, but there were so many things involved it simply made no sense, I did not know what Imperial Standing was, I thought it was a kind of fame originally, I also had no idea how to obtain the currency, and had no idea what Jettons were, all which seemed to be tied to this system in a way that confounded me.

I have had tons of people tell me Dynamis and its procing system was confusing as all **** and they were unable to understand it, though even just tonight, I went through with a returning player who has only been back a few weeks, and has been trying to farm without TEs, without Procing, and been doing terribly, since last time they played was in the 75 days and they have no idea what they are doing. In a hour of helping them I explained TEs, procing, showed them the cycles to do in Valk, explained when to change mobs, a few tips on how to keep track of certain things or how to more easily pull a good amount of currency, in general I explained the event to them and helped them learn it. They were not stupid, they picked it up quickly & easily.

People often absorb information much easier through experience and by being told about it in a way that they can ask questions and get instant responses, rather than a static guide that can answer nothing outside of what is written within, or a wiki that can be confusing to navigate when you don't know what to even look for to get what you want from it. Yes, some people are just not trying, asking you for every little detail and refusing to even try it on their own, others are likely to actually be looking for a better way to learn or understand, and aren't getting what they need in the guide or wiki you provide them, even if to you, that question is answered within it.



TLDR: Not everyone learns the same, to expect it is foolish. Not everyone wants a hand holder, but rather, some want a dynamic method of learning that can answer to their questions and needs, rather than a simple guide.

[Camiie]

Remember that guide I wrote back in January? In my own LS I direct all the newbies and returning players to it, yet 99.9% of them end up asking questions that are clearly covered in it and I end up repeating myself till I'm blue in the face.

There's a FFXI wiki also that some blatantly refuse to investigate; All they want is someone to hold their hand all the way through the game and it's damn bothersome.

If you don't have the patience to deal with people then why play a game that requires doing so? All you've done is describe how people act in real life all the time. How do you deal with them when they're right in front of you and not a thousand miles away?

[Lithera]

Yes but some people also don't ask you and the rest of your LS the same bloody question that gets answered different ways from different people five or more time within five minutes. Those are the types of people who are bothersome and makes you want to strangle them through the screen.

Going to the guy who hadn't been in dyna since the 75 days how did they not know what a TE was? Were they not paying attention during their runs or not understanding how it worked back then? Or am I misunderstanding in assuming he had done dynamis back then? I mean sure it was easy to not pay to what was going on back then, even had a guy who went afk for most of a run a few times. Just baffles me anyone who did dynamis back then wouldn't understand how a 30 min event stretched out to a 3hr event once inside without being booted before then.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Yes but some people also don't ask you and the rest of your LS the same bloody question that gets answered different ways from different people five or more time within five minutes.

Then just /breaklinkshell and get on with your life.

If the publishers aren't adequately explaining the game well enough for new(ish) players, there's no reason for that to be your problem to deal with. You're paying them, not vice versa, so unless you feel that complaining about other players on these forums is worth your entertainment dollars, go do something else.

[Lithera]

This wasn't my linkshell to break and it was back around 2005. This was how they were when asking about anything every day inside the LS or through shouts. When unless their chat window is scrolling like mad at least one example of what to do to get to the zone they wanted to get to should have been still on their screen if they popped it open without having to scroll back. They also were not new to the game.

[Demonjustin]

Going to the guy who hadn't been in dyna since the 75 days how did they not know what a TE was?

I would assume it's a combo of not having played in years and Dynamis having changed so much. I can't really say, I didn't exactly ask him, all I know is he told me he was trying to farm Hopes in Dynamis Xarc and asked if I wanted to join him since Dynamis only takes an hour, which obviously made me question why he thought the event was an hour long, and once he told me he didn't know how to extend it longer and thought that it was just a hour long, I just told him I would do a run with him and teach him about the event. But in all honesty, Dynamis did change a ton, you said yourself that the time went from 3 hours to 2 hours, who's to say they didn't lower it to 1 hour? I admit he could have found it out on wiki, but it goes back to the learning thing I was talking about, in the end, I find it easy to believe he just didn't know, even though he did do Dyna way back when.

Now when it comes to people who ask the same question over and over, and are answered each time but fail to use the knowledge to do what they are trying to do, those are the kind of people I simply ignore. The thing is, I find that generally, people aren't like this, I have had very few people in this game I have ever helped that did not seem to at least give an honest effort on their part to learn what they needed to. I will not say they don't exist, I have met a few, but they are far fewer than those who legitimately need help and will use it to its fullest.

[Lithera]

Ahh the old haven't done said event in a long time thus brain goes derp bit. Yes, most people I have helped over the years were not as bad as the person I mentioned and coming close to spaming chat with the same question in a zone that doesn't normally get much shout chat and didn't zone is indeed a rarity. Though have had my share of people who make you go how do you not understand instructions your average six year old could even follow over the years.

[Ritsuka]

They have not completed CoP. They simply do not want to do it.

There is no "help" when it comes to CoP unless you're doing one of the like 2 missions that require two people. It is a long, arduous, painful journey of auto-run (the R button) and warping from place to place. Having more than one person would only make it take longer; the best anyone can do for you is talk to you while you do it so it's not as boring.

You could enjoy the story. I liked COP's story line taru its good ^_^
That's what role playing games are about the story

[Crevox]

You could enjoy the story. I liked COP's story line taru its good ^_^
That's what role playing games are about the story

The story was great. It just takes forever to get to the story parts of the missions due to the large amount of tedious tasks in between. If I could just do story cutscene, fight, cutscene, fight one after another in tandem, then it would be fantastic.

[Raydeus]

The story was great. It just takes forever to get to the story parts of the missions due to the large amount of tedious tasks in between. If I could just do story cutscene, fight, cutscene, fight one after another in tandem, then it would be fantastic.

Yikes, that's precisely what I hate about WoW clones nowadays.

But on the bright side you'll probably love XIV.