Your actions are making the entire FFXI community suffer

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

I wonder how your party strategy is? With Summoners using perfect Defense using Alex before popping the NMs, would that not offer players a small time window to deal damage? Therefore no death and no reason to waste MP raising or time spent on running back in hopes you can get there before the time limit ends?

Oh and magic? Does not Rune have ability to give players in the entire party perfect magic defense for a small time window?

Add in scholar for TP regain, storms, Phalanx on all members, Stoneskin, with Bards giving Etudes for Magic, marches for haste. Then there's Embrava and Regen V..

Geomancer and redmage for enfeebles...

Then there's Corsair buffs...

The jobs are there. The abilities. Are there. But no one will ever learn this if people continue to play based on "What we know works" attitude.

Smn for Perfect Defense 1/18
3x SCH to phalanx/regen everyone 4/18
Brds to refresh everyone 7/18
Whm to Heal everyone 10/18
Corsair to put rolls on everyone 13/18
3 Run to Magic Shield everyone 16/18
Paladin to tank 17/18

Go random single DD! You only have 20 minutes to solo zerg the NM down, but you've got plenty of buffs now!

The issue isn't job utility or a lack thereof. Outside and Inside the fracture, there are time limits on these NMs. There is a certain level of damage that must be maintained in order to win.

I'm going to take the non-delve sam or mnk over the Run with magic shield, or the smn with Alek.

The issue is TIME. Even with the perfect setup, there is still the chance of the NM using an ability to wipe its DT modifier, or it decides not to use Exuviation, or that last lamp refuses to break.

You ever shouted for 2 hours for a Tax'et clear? I shouted groups for all my NMs, before I had any delve equipment.
You know how terrible it is when you get the NM down to 25% on your first attempt and half the group LEAVES because you didn't win? Now you've got another 45min-2hrs to shout for replacements.

I'll take the "What we know works."

[Tamoa]

FFXI players will always find the most efficient way of doing things and stick to doing it that way. That's always been the case and will always be the case. It's actually human nature. Why change the setup or the strategy when you know your current one works?

If you're going with your linkshell, sure - mess around if you want, bring other non-optimal jobs. But the fact of the matter is that Delve (T1-5) is being done mostly by pickup groups. You aren't going to find a random whm with Arise that already has the KI for a specific nm that'll be willing to stand there outside the group only to jump in and raise people when needed. And leaders of pickup groups aren't going to pick sub-optimal jobs - they won't choose a pup instead of a heavy DD, why would they when they know a heavy DD will infact deal more damage and contribute to (hopefully) kill the nm within the time limit.

[Daemon]

FFXI players will always find the most efficient way of doing things and stick to doing it that way. That's always been the case and will always be the case. It's actually human nature. Why change the setup or the strategy when you know your current one works?

If you're going with your linkshell, sure - mess around if you want, bring other non-optimal jobs. But the fact of the matter is that Delve (T1-5) is being done mostly by pickup groups. You aren't going to find a random whm with Arise that already has the KI for a specific nm that'll be willing to stand there outside the group only to jump in and raise people when needed. And leaders of pickup groups aren't going to pick sub-optimal jobs - they won't choose a pup instead of a heavy DD, why would they when they know a heavy DD will infact deal more damage and contribute to (hopefully) kill the nm within the time limit.

And it's because of the attitudes we have now, many players are not able to advance and earn the things needed. Make friends and find people to do stuff together. And be prepared at events having all spells in their list such as Arise. And I don't know what your server is like but several WHM I've seen on mine already have it.

Change starts with you, and the entire community. Something that cannot happen over night. I just stated how i see why people are struggling because our actions are effecting others when we act narrowminded in our ways allowing self gain to define who we are through simple mindset mechanics such as "This how we know works"

And because we are so focused on statistics and items, we would rather continue to forget about the other players on the server because our needs come first above all things.

You may not realize it now or never, but I wonder how things will change once Delve dies out and all end game players are done getting their wants finished completely?

We already separated ourselves from players undergeared. And then instead of looking at our ways, we blame the devs, and the content itself without analyzing that we the people play a role in this too because we choose to set this standard and implement the way we farm in delve as our "new system" to reach highest amount of plasms and airelixers so we can upgrade our gears the fastest way possible even if that means forgetting everyone else in the process.

[Asymptotic]

What the heck is this thread? What point are you trying to make? Did you smoke some bad hash?

I don't know anymore man. I'm just going to go punch things with Oatixur while my Terpsichore and Kenkonken cry.

[Daemon]

Smn for Perfect Defense 1/18
3x SCH to phalanx/regen everyone 4/18
Brds to refresh everyone 7/18
Whm to Heal everyone 10/18
Corsair to put rolls on everyone 13/18
3 Run to Magic Shield everyone 16/18
Paladin to tank 17/18

Go random single DD! You only have 20 minutes to solo zerg the NM down, but you've got plenty of buffs now!

The issue isn't job utility or a lack thereof. Outside and Inside the fracture, there are time limits on these NMs. There is a certain level of damage that must be maintained in order to win.

I'm going to take the non-delve sam or mnk over the Run with magic shield, or the smn with Alek.

The issue is TIME. Even with the perfect setup, there is still the chance of the NM using an ability to wipe its DT modifier, or it decides not to use Exuviation, or that last lamp refuses to break.

You ever shouted for 2 hours for a Tax'et clear? I shouted groups for all my NMs, before I had any delve equipment.
You know how terrible it is when you get the NM down to 25% on your first attempt and half the group LEAVES because you didn't win? Now you've got another 45min-2hrs to shout for replacements.

I'll take the "What we know works."

To me that's an excuse based on laziness and improper training, lack of practice because for us small groups we use the strategy of switching out members and buffing that its hard when you also have no organization skills and proper communication between your alliance members and team.

The majority of buffs make a huge difference before you even start the fight that many people "still dont get" and can't even do if the jobs are not even there. Wasting valuable space in the alliance on adding extra jobs not necessary while choosing Valor Minuet, March and Minnes through the rotation of 3 bards to benefit 6 song buffs instead thinking this is more valuable than buffs like Perfect Defense, All For One, and other things I've listed before could make a better difference.

And then they expect to win battle after these buffs wore off not even organized to continue switching out members to rebuff the team.

You only need 1 scholar to buff entire alliance, 2 if you want to use Embrava twice.
And you are looking at it as 3 Alliances all together. Main party is DD party which has highest priority on buffs VS other teams.

This eliminates the cause for requiring so many jobs that's really not needed.

You are debating with someone who does this all the time at JP events. So I know it works. Even since the early years we did the same thing back in HNMLS groups.

[Tamoa]

The vast majority of people will always choose the path of less resistance - in game and in real life. That's how it is, that's how this game's been for the 11 years it's existed, and the sad truth is that nothing you say on this forum is going to change that. It makes no sense to purposely make things harder to accomplish with a higher chance to fail, even. Especially when you're dealing with people you don't know.

[Sapphires]

best garbage thread in a long time lol

[Spectreman]

This doesn't change a thing about the main reason New players can't get into delve. Veterans are askin Delve weapons as a requirement to experience Delve.

If the playerbase became rotten to this point, its up to SE to make adjustments to the system to make normal pugs without delve weapons to be able to farm efficiently in there (so the difference between farming with or without delve weapons is minimal) or force a system into those elitists so they have to accept non delve players into their group to be able to keep receiving rewards.


All this bla bla bla doesn't address this problem. This is THE problem right now. You can spend years collecting all that trash you mentioned because in the end your DD wont be accepted to ever experience Delve content unless someone magically put a Delve weapon into their account.

[Asymptotic]

No, Veterans stopped Plasm farming completely and are farming Delve bosses with their linkshells (or are doing 5/5 NM runs, both of which actually do require delve weapons to complete reliably). The people you see shouting for plasm farms this point are not the "veterans," they're FFXI's equivalent of middle class white Republicans.

[Daemon]

The vast majority of people will always choose the path of less resistance - in game and in real life. That's how it is, that's how this game's been for the 11 years it's existed, and the sad truth is that nothing you say on this forum is going to change that. It makes no sense to purposely make things harder to accomplish with a higher chance to fail, even.

Your are showing the example of giving in to defeat.

Rather than be open minded and trying out different strategies with other people and not everyone on the server thinks like you. People with different mindsets do exist. Otherwise we should just follow the first person who decides to jump off a bridge because the vast majority thinks its the path of least resistance while some us out there are smart enough to do the things we know is better.

I see it from my point of view is that the vast majority you are referring to watched others set a poor example and learned to go with flow because after all that's how life is right? Setting examples for others to follow? And when you don't know anything you have to see how others are doing it so you can learn too? But then those who join your VW party also not knowing what to do only joins in and follows the vast majority because its their first time and leaders before us are the ones who set the standard for everybody?

Its not for me to change people really because that's all you 100%. But I have the right to share my opinion and if you don't agree with it, you don't have to give me advice such as "nothing you say or do on the forums is going to change that" because then you are speaking on everyone as if what you say is how it will be regardless.

And that I have no right to share my opinions and promote positivity to others by pointing out what I see is changing for the worse.