Trials of the Magians and casual players.

[Afania]

Im sry, but that excuse is pretty lame. Why not just be honest and tell ppl that u screwed. The chance in the ppl willing to shout for non R/E/M/D ppl to get in for gil is slim right now. They not gonna do it while it's still the main thing going. Once SE release another content like Delve and surpass that then they'll do it, but I doubt it.

Ummm, if you're paying for a spot to get KI then they won't ask your gear. You're just there to leech, and you're the customer that's paying, so why's gear a requirement?

If you're joining a /shout pt and you can't get in because you have no R/E/M/D....come on, ppl need to stop pretending this game only has DD jobs and not be able to get in without a R/E/M/D DD is the end of the world. Go play SCH WHM COR GEO etc.

[Osmond]

Ummm, if you're paying for a spot to get KI then they won't ask your gear. You're just there to leech, and you're the customer that's paying, so why's gear a requirement?

If you're joining a /shout pt and you can't get in because you have no R/E/M/D....come on, ppl need to stop pretending this game only has DD jobs and not be able to get in without a R/E/M/D DD is the end of the world. Go play SCH WHM COR GEO etc.

If they aren't worrying about what gear u have then that person must be paying a hefty amount of gil to make that happen. Again it's slim and they not gonna take that chance especially if they want to kill this NM in less than 20min or get over 5k plasm.

Again, they want quick kills, they don't want ppl who drags on. They are there to FARM. So u either have R/E/M/D or u don't get in. This is what the community wants right now. If that was the case there will be no complaints in this forum after the post update.

[Xtrasweettea]

If you're joining a /shout pt and you can't get in because you have no R/E/M/D....come on, ppl need to stop pretending this game only has DD jobs and not be able to get in without a R/E/M/D DD is the end of the world. Go play SCH WHM COR GEO etc.

[Sarcasm] But, but, but, it's my $14.95 and I should be able to go as I my DRG. I don't want to level up BRD to get gear for my DRG! That's wrong. No one else does it! I demand everyone else to change their jobs!

Also, no, I won't level BRD or WHM. Those jobs are below me and I can't see myself, a golden DD, touching those second class citizen jobs! [/Sarcasm]

I agree with you, Afania.

I have a relic and an empy. I don't sit and pout when I can't go DRK or PUP to delve. I go as BRD instead. I rather use BRD to get gear for BRD (and really RDM, but it is becoming unused again) and then to gear DRK and PUP. Of course, I've been "whoring" myself on BRD since the end of my days in old school Dyna. I can't blame anyone but myself for wanting to push forward in progression.

I also find it funny that people are detested by the idea of not moving from their DD perch and touch mage jobs. I'm guessing they view the jobs as being "under" them or that they don't like the idea of playing a job that actually has some responsibility other than reducing an enemy's health to 0.

[Osmond]

I also find it funny that people are detested by the idea of not moving from their DD perch and touch mage jobs. I'm guessing they view the jobs as being "under" them or that they don't like the idea of playing a job that actually has some responsibility other than reducing an enemy's health to 0.

No one doesn't have a problem playing mage jobs, they just have a problem w/ those who doesn't have R/E/M/D to get into invites for Delve. There might be those who doesn't want to take the easy way out and play a mage job to get what they want.

[detlef]

No one doesn't have a problem playing mage jobs, they just have a problem w/ those who doesn't have R/E/M/D to get into invites for Delve. There might be those who doesn't want to take the easy way out and play a mage job to get what they want.

If the shouter has no issues filling his alliance with Delve DDs, then he clearly in the position to be picky about who he invites. What do you have to offer that can't be done better by dozens of other players?

[Demon6324236]

No one doesn't have a problem playing mage jobs, they just have a problem w/ those who doesn't have R/E/M/D to get into invites for Delve. There might be those who doesn't want to take the easy way out and play a mage job to get what they want.

I go as WAR with a FUkon(Fake Ukon) not a RMED, also I have seen people go on jobs like DRK and SAM without RMECDs because the WSs they use are merited and another weapon can still do great damage, if you are on a job like WAR or MNK where your WS is not as strong without a high powered weapon, like Upheaval and SSpiral without a Relic/Mythic then yes, you are excluded because you lack a basic WS everyone on those jobs should get. If you are unable to join on WAR or MNK because you have no RMECD then its because the job just is not strong without one of those in most cases, and as such you are suffering from the flaws of your job choice and its weapon choice.

[Xtrasweettea]

No one doesn't have a problem playing mage jobs, they just have a problem w/ those who doesn't have R/E/M/D to get into invites for Delve. There might be those who doesn't want to take the easy way out and play a mage job to get what they want.

There seems to be a problem of people wanting to play mage jobs. I see it daily when there are several groups shouting for BRDs as one of their only open spots left open. I've seen it back in the days of merit parties where you would have several groups of 4DDs shouting for a RDM and BRD. All of these DDs and not one of them wants to jump to a mage job. So you are telling me that they have no problem going as mage? The shouts I've seen are contrary to what you state.

You are correct, there are those who don't want to take the "easy way out" and play a mage job to get what they want. They are also the ones on here who have been complaining about not being able to participate in events STARTED by other people. The ones who want to participate and don't have a REMD could always START their own shout. The ones complaining have nothing to blame but themselves for not starting their own group or changing to a job that is in demand.

[Landsoul]

You can't really expect having a level 85 or 90 empyrean weapon and it's still relevant. I know casual players have alot less time compared to someone that plays more often and that can complete it within 4 to 5 days. But this is exactly why you move onto Delve weapons for purchase. It seems illogical that a level 85 or 90 weapon is still good while all the gear in SoA is for level 99. Delve weapons are great right now and not very hard to obtain for casual players. If you want your weapon to stay relvevant, because you spent 1-3 months building your weapon, you want other gear to stay relevant too you spent so much time obtaining such as NNI, Salvagev2 or r/e gear like Armada Hauberk or Valkyrie's Breastplate?

SE decided to buff R/E/M 99, because taking these weapons to 99 takes a fair amount of time / dedication and gil. Harsh as it may sound getting a Empyrean to 85 or 90 does not take much dedication or enough effort for them to stay relevant. Want the best or second best weapon? Take a R/E/M to 99. If not stick to Delve weapons. That's the basic concept from Square-Enix. Why should Empyrean 85/90 be better than Delve weapons or craftable weapons? They should not.
I have only one relic at 99 myself, but I can understand it's time to move onto new weapons and gear for weapons that aren't 99. I have like 5 empyreans and am a little frowned that they won't serve a purpose really, but don't plan on upgrading any of them and feel it's time to move on. So they'll become irrevant and I think that's fine. I may upgrade another relic to 99 in the future.

If anything as conselation they should make Empyrean 85/90 give you the WS instead of having to go out your way and building another trial so you can take the WoE version to 99. I think it's rather silly having to do a trial all over again for the WS, but oh well it doesn't take too long to build a WoE weapon to 99, but it would be nice if Empyrean 85 / 90 would give you the WS instead.

[Osmond]

I have only one relic at 99 myself, but I can understand it's time to move onto new weapons and gear for weapons that aren't 99. I have like 5 empyreans and am a little frowned that they won't serve a purpose really, but don't plan on upgrading any of them and feel it's time to move on. So they'll become irrevant and I think that's fine. I may upgrade another relic to 99 in the future.

Wait, u said that u won't upgrade a relic cause they are irrelevant due to the new content, but now u saying that u gonna upgrade them in the future. im a lil confused and saw a contradiction to that comment.

[Landsoul]

Wait, u said that u won't upgrade a relic cause they are irrelevant due to the new content, but now u saying that u gonna upgrade them in the future. im a lil confused.

Seems you haven't been following the latest news, but relics at level 99 are getting buffed meaning they'll be relevant in the future. I was refering that I won't be upgrading any of my 5 empyreans.