Achievements in Adoulin expansion?

[Zagen]

I think this conversation is turning out ugly. If you claim to have worked with a game on the Xbox 360 platform and have read about the guidelines you should be fully aware of other stuff you have proven to not know. It's a strange card to draw when you don't really need to.

Developers aren't allowed in most cases to add achievements without a paid patch or a disc release. There are exceptions as always, especially early on Xbox Live. Wings of the Goddess had two achievements for completing the missions and all the city quests. You couldn't complete those for years.

I brought up having worked on 360 games because you brought up Googling the requirements. No requirements are ever made public because they change and well exceptions are made all the time. Having that available as common knowledge to the customers just doesn't benefit either party (developer or console company).

• WotG - was an expansion which as you mentioned a few extra Achievements.
• ACP/AMK/ASA Add-ons - would qualify as a paid patch, well would qualify for an exception as it wasn't a paid patch though XBL.
• Abyssea Add-ons - same as above.
• 2008 The Vana'diel Collection - disc release.
• 2009 Ultimate Collectors Edition - same as above.

I might be missing a collectors disc release but you get the idea 1 out of 5 (up to 9 if you count the add-ons separately) chances to add achievements.

Of course we will see new achievements in there for leveling the new jobs, try out gardening or whatever they call it, do some new endgame and complete the missions. But to throw in a couple of extra achievements for more recent content is a big possibility and I can't really see any negativity in that. Much of the new content is important even after the expansion will hit us.

You're more than likely correct in saying there will be achievements for the new jobs + story line. Is that something that would really need to be announced?

I guess I should explain my view of "achievements" they should actually be something that quantifies having completed more than would be considered the basic part of the game, those are fine but there should be more. So I would like to see achievements in the realm of:

• Complete Story mission. (given)
• Get new jobs to 99. (given)
• Kill X HNM. (7 of these at least based on what's been released)
• Complete endgame event. (one for w/e they add that's like dynamis/limbus/etc.)

So yeah if they went to that degree then yes releasing a list ahead of time would become a spoiler list.

[Stan64]

Yeah, but even though there are requirements they are broken really often by developers and other special cases. FFXI is a big special case. I think they would have no problem to add achievements up to the maximum limit whenever they want to. But I dont think they want to negotiate with Microsoft for something small like that.

The add-on content you refer to isn't released through the regular Xbox channels and therefore they don't get any money. A paid patch is when they have to update the game through the Xbox Live system. That usually cost an insane amount of money something Square-Enix probably isn't paying with each patch they do.

Collection disc releases are a legitimate reason to add achievements but usually as a separate list and that wouldn't work with this game for several reasons. Because they all install the same files and they play the same game after updating once.

Like I said at least two or three times. I want to know if there are stuff I can work on right now.

Your definition of a spoiler is more extreme than mine. To know that there are missions in an achievement list isn't a big deal for me. If the achievement however "Defeated the evil Swordmaiden and restored peace to Adoulin." like no achievement so far in the game have stated that would be a spoiler. And if they would release a list they could blur stuff like that out anyway.

[Stan64]

I don't even want to have this discussion. You see what we just did?

You: "I'd hope they'd [the achievements] be related to the expansion"
- Well obviously they are going to be that so I counter with:

I: "Of course we will see new achievements in there for... [A list of obvious achievements]"
- Just to clarify that there will probably be new achievements and then I put an argument why there is a chance for old achievements.

You: "You're more than likely correct in saying there will be achievements for the new jobs + story line."
- Missing the point.

Followed by meaningless banter.

I don't even know what you are trying to say. Yeah, ok. You want new achievements. I get that. Yeah, ok. You think it's spoilers to show a list of stuff that's obvious. Yeah, ok. You believe that a certain framework of rules implicate the achievements even though it haven't uphold for FFXI in the past.

Yeah, ok. You are not particular nice about it either:
"So you're looking for achievements for old crap and not the new stuff? Sounds "great"."

Just there you devalue what I hope for and wishes and that's why I made this thread and asked if we could see a list. Nowhere in the initial thread have I stated that I want to hear about how achievements worked in other games, especially when it's been so odd in this game.

[Zagen]

Just there you devalue what I hope for and wishes and that's why I made this thread and asked if we could see a list. Nowhere in the initial thread have I stated that I want to hear about how achievements worked in other games, especially when it's been so odd in this game.

I devalued your ideas because those are achievements that could have been added in the past. After all we both agree FFXI is a special case and I'm sure if SE pushed it could have gotten MS to make exceptions on adding achievements I just don't think SE cared about adding them.

In the OP you mention:

What kind of achievements will you add to the game in this expansion?

I'm sorry I took that to mean achievements related to the expansion that would go beyond leveling the 2 jobs and completing the story line.

[Stan64]

Haha, I like you. Let's hope there even are achievements. It's not 100% even yet.

[Demon6324236]

Haha, I like you. Let's hope there even are achievements. It's not 100% even yet.

A rep said there would be, thus it was confirmed, there will be achievements.

[Stan64]

A rep said there would be, thus it was confirmed, there will be achievements.

If it was the thread linked earlier it said "considering adding". =O

[Demon6324236]

Hmm~ I suppose thats true, however I would take that as a yes in most cases, then again, this is SE...

[Stan64]

Yeah, it seems very likely. If not there will be a sad Taru in the world of Cerberus.

[Dekito]

I was hoping to get a xbox 360 achievement list by now for SoA but haven't seen one. I guess there will be no achievements then? I thought every xbox retail game/expansion had to have achievements?