Can we have a secondary weapon? Something we can dual wield?

[Nezha]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is the best job in the game, RDM can do all of that as well, and in some cases, better, so I would say it is great, but not necessary the best, I think no job is really the best.

I did try to make it clear that it was my opinion just in case that was missed. RDM is great, but it is one where PUP is two so this circumvents spell interuption when solo tanking, DDing, nuking, healing... Futhermore it is versitile but not as much as PUP can be for this reason, and it doesn't get tier V+ cures and nukes, the amount of PDT and shield block rate possible with Valoredge or the DD capabilty of ranger, let alone combined with the master. So technically it is subpar in all these regards respectly until you factor in that Automaton's AI isn't perfect where as a RDM player can react instantly to a situation.... But thats where skill comes in... So on paper PUP, again in my opinion, is the best job in the game... In practice that depends on skill, experience, and armor.

RDM was actually my favorite job before PUP was introduced, but the main thing it excels in and had going for it: Enfeebling Magic, was made obsolete on difficult mobs relevent for furthering ones self in-game. Immunobreaks was a step in the right direction, but RDM are far from what they used to be in the time of Avesta.

[Nezha]

Also I think when comparing the all around ability of a job the best measure is how well it is able to solo, because you will have to employ everything against a difficult mob. For that reason when it comes to best all-arounder many status quo DDs and mages get nixed from the competition. But in practice for a specific role, PUP is definitely not the best DD, best healer, best nuker, or best tank, because it isn't intrinsically given the job traits and abilities to do so, so we make up for it with armor, subjob cominations, skill, and our automatons. But I can say with certainty that no other job can do all the things previously mentioned quite the way we can.

[Horadrim]

Update:

So I spent the last 4 Days GRINDING the hell out of PUP to get my authentically leveled PUP75 (which has been PUP90 up until earlier last week) on par with my perfectionism.

I can definitely feel the improvements that were made to the job that I wasn't aware of, but I have to say -- I'm also starting to realize a major problem I have with Puppetmaster's focus on Hand-to-Hand.

First things first -- I grabbed two +4 Damage, +4 Stun Resist, +5 Crit Damage Yataghans using Dominion Notes and started skilling up my dagger skill so I could solo farm my AF Feet (which I have 8 seals for). I have to wonder, why the hell does Puppetmaster not get Evisceration and Exenterator when BEASTMASTER does? Puppetmaster, outside of dagger skill and club, has no access to elemental weapon skills and I have to solo farm my Empy feet -- I understand those weapon skills maybe not fall within the realm of what I need, but I can't help but wonder why we are screwed out of so many of the WS's for our ONLY secondary weapon type. I'm not sure why PUP isn't included as a sub class of dagger yet BST is when they already have 2 other weapons they can yield pretty effectively. (BST A- / B- / C+ vs. PUP B+ / C-)

Additionally, that idea of a magian animator is really ringing in my head. That second +20 EVA / +Pet stat piece of gear would be damn nice.

[Dreamin]

If you can't solo farm the simple AF feet, you're completely doing something wrong...extremely wrong.

[Horadrim]

If you can't solo farm the simple AF feet, you're completely doing something wrong...extremely wrong.

I didn't say I /can't/ do it... Thanks for trying to hype yourself up though, I'm sure you needed the ego boost.

EDIT:

FYI, I was basically AFK'ing while skilling up yesterday -- I've no problem with farming them, I'm just trying to get my dagger skill up to the point where its faster. My ability to solo them isn't in question, I was commenting on the weirdness of the fact tat PUP barely has a secondary weapon type.

[Zagen]

FYI, I was basically AFK'ing while skilling up yesterday -- I've no problem with farming them, I'm just trying to get my dagger skill up to the point where its faster. My ability to solo them isn't in question, I was commenting on the weirdness of the fact tat PUP barely has a secondary weapon type.

How is it weird? Heck the only jobs I can think of that gain significantly from using a 2nd rate weapon (in terms of skill) are WAR, DRK, and SAM (not counting relic bow). All because of a merit WS and only in certain situations.

Also an alternative to Aeolian Edge is Flash Nova which PUP/WAR would have at 92 with capped club skill. You can't boost it's damage as high as you can with A.Edge but it is an alternative.

Something to note that there is a "Catch 22" with farming base feet: The higher your Amber the more gold chests you get but that also means the more possible things can load in the chests.

[Dreamin]

I didn't say I /can't/ do it... Thanks for trying to hype yourself up though, I'm sure you needed the ego boost.

EDIT:

FYI, I was basically AFK'ing while skilling up yesterday -- I've no problem with farming them, I'm just trying to get my dagger skill up to the point where its faster. My ability to solo them isn't in question, I was commenting on the weirdness of the fact tat PUP barely has a secondary weapon type.

I dont understands at all why would you want to use daggers instead of H2H. Please dont say for lights...

[Horadrim]

How is it weird? Heck the only jobs I can think of that gain significantly from using a 2nd rate weapon (in terms of skill) are WAR, DRK, and SAM (not counting relic bow). All because of a merit WS and only in certain situations.

Also an alternative to Aeolian Edge is Flash Nova which PUP/WAR would have at 92 with capped club skill. You can't boost it's damage as high as you can with A.Edge but it is an alternative.

Something to note that there is a "Catch 22" with farming base feet: The higher your Amber the more gold chests you get but that also means the more possible things can load in the chests.

So what's the optimal numbers for farming feet? Amber 120 is what someone told me? Amber 120 and capped pearl.

I understand that most jobs don't have effective secondary weapons, and that's fine, I just meant that I don't understand why BST has C+ and gets largely unique WS's where PUP doesn't. I don't know a single BST who actively uses Dagger for anything, except maybe Twilight for TP gain. Just seems weird when you consider H2H and Dagger are our only real skills (again, we get club, but meh).

I mean, it doesn't matter in the long run, it just kind of made me raise a brow. I wouldn't want PUP to be DNC, THF tier, but I don't see why we couldn't at least get a on a few of the other WSs. Just for variety's sake.


Meanwhile -- I don't understand why more jobs don't have alternative weapon types to begin with, but that's a whole other conversation.

[Zagen]

So what's the optimal numbers for farming feet? Amber 120 is what someone told me? Amber 120 and capped pearl.

The "real" answer is 0. The reason that's the real answer is base feet are an option at the beginning meaning you could get them without farming amber. If you're fine with burning stones then this actually might be a viable option.

That said you won't get more gold boxes over others if you go that route, all you're doing is ensuring the ones you do get have the best odds of having feet in them. The "perfect" numbers depends on the Abyssite you have (I'd mention zone too but that's irrelevant in this case).

For me when soloing the best numbers to be: Pearl capped, Azure 128, Amber 100 (as mentioned might vary based on Abyssite). This would give me enough Azure to have max potency to get TEs to stay in zone, and Amber was high enough to see a decent amount of gold boxes but not high enough to get KI or strongest temps (revits/megalixir/etc) from the chests.

[Marada]

Here's an idea for SE to make at least one H2H elemental WS as a sort of fun thing for people to remember G Gundam......

WS fire based: "Burning Fingers" and have the macro /sh "Take my love, my anger, and all of my sorrow." Just before it.