Artifact Armor +2

[Zagen]

just because I dont have sea access yet(which I am working on at my own pace) does not mean I was referring to myself.

stop trolling and yes that is exactly what you are doing.

I was simply showing support for an idea, and explaining that because you no longer require Relic+1 to get Relic+2 they will probably do the same for AF+2.

honestly if you think I'm against the idea of having to have AF+1 before hand you're wrong.
my thought process is not skewed, I have talked to a lot of people, they agree on many of the fights being difficult and for some jobs damned near impossible to solo.

your argument is invalid, I was not referring to myself with that.

I don't see how any argument about not having Sea access is valid. I mean it's not like you get the best DD ring, best waist for nukers, or best waist for healers among other gear that's useful in many situations. Oh wait Sea still offers all that even at 99.

As to the OP I honestly don't care for the idea of AF+2 in the sense of having the same look. If they gave us new gear in the same slots with updated stats of what makes AF useful that would be cool. That said the lazier route would be to create AF+2 instead of new gear with similar functionality.

[wildsprite]

I did not argue about not having sea access, I simply said I was doing things at my own pace.

as for the mission I am on,not that it matters to any of you elitist trolls but, I decided to wait to move farther to do it with others I know are getting close to that mission because quite frankly I find soloing in this game boring

I will have sea access eventually, I do not see why it matters to any of you if I have it right now or not

and I do not see any argument as to having to level jobs you don't even like to solo through CoP as a valid argument, sure I can probably solo Omega and Ultima on SMN but most likely not at the speed needed to beat the battlefield, and I certainly know I'm not going to solo that battlefield on RDM at the speed needed

[Demon6324236]

I certainly know I'm not going to solo that battlefield on RDM at the speed needed

Not sure if you mean that personally or because its RDM. : /

In either case its funny how derailed this got off a single post about skipping +1 Artifact gear...

[Zagen]

I did not argue about not having sea access, I simply said I was doing things at my own pace.

Actually you did here:

it would be kinda lame not to since not everyone has Limbus access

While it doesn't outright state "this is an argument in favor of not needing Sea" it clearly implies it.

I did not argue about not having sea access, I simply said I was doing things at my own pace.

as for the mission I am on,not that it matters to any of you elitist trolls but, I decided to wait to move farther to do it with others I know are getting close to that mission because quite frankly I find soloing in this game boring

I will have sea access eventually, I do not see why it matters to any of you if I have it right now or not

Had you not brought up the topic of having Sea access I wouldn't have cared that you or anyone else (because I'm not solely calling you out) didn't have Sea yet. More power to you and others for working on it. However it still doesn't validate any argument against needing Sea access because even if AF+2 were never introduced with a requirement of items from Sea, there are many other reasons to get Sea access.

and I do not see any argument as to having to level jobs you don't even like to solo through CoP as a valid argument, sure I can probably solo Omega and Ultima on SMN but most likely not at the speed needed to beat the battlefield, and I certainly know I'm not going to solo that battlefield on RDM at the speed needed

I nor anyone else said you or other players had to solo it but I find it hard to believe none of these apply to players in a FFXI today:

• They have jobs leveled for the fun of solo challenges or to get things done without bothering others.
• They have friends willing to help them on easy fights.
• They have gil (in an era where it's easy to make gil even after the Cruor nerf) to pay off mercenaries.

[Demon6324236]

While it doesn't outright state "this is an argument in favor of not needing Sea" it clearly implies it.

Its not all to unreasonable, Dyna is no different except the gear comes from the same event as the upgrades. But if it didn't, you would never even have to goto Dyna, or get any rank missions done, because you can buy all of the forgottens from bazaars. You could have never touched Dyna since, say, 2006, and still get the +2 gear today. It sounds like it would be fair to have the ability to skip +1 with or without sea access. And while I agree, CoP being finished is very worthwhile, and extremely common now days. I think it is unfair to act as though it is so terrible someone mentions having a system built to allow people without it done. The entire reasoning behind doing it is for SCH, /SCH, and melee jobs. WHM has no real use of anything coming from Sea that you can not just buy for instance.

[wildsprite]

how about we just get back on topic rather then argue the semantics about what players do and don't have done in the game.

While it doesn't outright state "this is an argument in favor of not needing Sea" it clearly implies it.

it clearly implies it? bovine scatology, I was not arguing against having sea access, you took that post entirely wrong, I was comparing getting AF+2 with getting Relic+2, nothing more.
you took it out of context

[Zagen]

Its not all to unreasonable, Dyna is no different except the gear comes from the same event as the upgrades. But if it didn't, you would never even have to goto Dyna, or get any rank missions done, because you can buy all of the forgottens from bazaars. You could have never touched Dyna since, say, 2006, and still get the +2 gear today. It sounds like it would be fair to have the ability to skip +1 with or without sea access. And while I agree, CoP being finished is very worthwhile, and extremely common now days. I think it is unfair to act as though it is so terrible someone mentions having a system built to allow people without it done. The entire reasoning behind doing it is for SCH, /SCH, and melee jobs. WHM has no real use of anything coming from Sea that you can not just buy for instance.

I understand there are many events where a WHM without a SCH is functional, though in those events I'd be on SCH instead of WHM because it does the healer role better, though that's a whole other argument.

I'd love to meet a person who's so die hard WHM that they won't focus on any other job. Though I wonder if someone that die hard is probably looking to Sea for Altruistic Cape to get that 1 extra Healing Magic Skill in the back slot for Cursnas. I'm sure they wouldn't be interested in Merciful Cape for maximizing Boost spells either.

it clearly implies it? bovine scatology, I was not arguing against having sea access, you took that post entirely wrong, I was comparing getting AF+2 with getting Relic+2, nothing more.
you took it out of context

Actually I didn't initially read it that way but could see how it would be read that way, Plasticleg did, then you defended the point as if his (assuming from the galka pic, sorry if you're a girl behind the galka) interpretation was right. Maybe you got overly defensive because your lack of Sea access was called out, in which case I'm sorry I took that reaction incorrectly.

[wildsprite]

no I got a bit offended because he acted like I was saying that for myself when that was not the case, I am working on getting sea access, I'll get there, but I'm not in any hurry for it because I honestly don't care about anything from it at the moment, nor do I know anyone who actually does Limbus, that might change in the future but for now it is what it is,

@Plasticleg I am not gimp because I don't have CoP finished, quite frankly if you think I am then you must be among those elitist trolls who think pimp or gimp really matters more than skill

[Demon6324236]

You don't actually NEED the cape to cap boosts. My point was that there are some people who play jobs that do not really need gear from Sea. There are a few people on my server who only play a single job, and they are some of the best at that job. If those jobs do not need things from Sea, or CoP in general, why would you even do it besides the story?

But I digress, the point of the matter was that AF1+2 would be accessible without sea access, in all honesty, that makes sense in either case because the AF itself is not in any way related to CoP. So if you could skip straight to +2, and the items involved were not from Sea, but another location entirely, then it would make perfect sense. Just because one path to upgrading the gear involves Sea and Limbus does not mean both have to, nor does it mean they should be a requirement.

The entire point of this thread was to request that AF1+2 be added. In all honesty, it may just save Neo-Limbus from its current fate of being untouched by most players due to its gear not beating out VW, Meebles, NNI and NS options. AF1 gear for some jobs still holds up today, only mage gear for the most part, but with a +2 version of them, some could shine even brighter. Also, it would stop people from choosing level 52~60 gear over 90~99 gear because the lower level gear actually has better stats, such as in the case of NIN with its AF3+2 body, vs the AF1 body. Why should it matter if the items come from Sea, Sky, Dynamis, Abyssea, SoA, BCNMs, or a Taru punting competition? The point of the thread was to request this gear coming into existence, especially because SE's original reasoning took a turn for the worse.

SE originally said they did not want to do AF1+2 because of the fact it may take away from the other gear we were being given. However, the other gear was not up to par with what the player base expected, and instead was ignored. Now that we have seen this happen, it should be changed, with AF1+2 added we may see people actually doing Neo-Limbus more often because there are pieces in there which could be brought to a level high enough for current players to make use of it. In such an event, Limbus would be reborn again in the eyes of players, rather than looking like just another event which could have been something if the rewards were better, so you were not dragging your friends along to do an event just for you.

[Demon6324236]

@Plasticleg I am not gimp because I don't have CoP finished, quite frankly if you think I am then you must be among those elitist trolls who think pimp or gimp really matters more than skill

Sorry, but no matter your skill, your gear is gimp if you play any melee job and do not have a Brutal and Rajas. They are the easiest pieces of gear in the game to get that last from start to end, literally being in the best setups even though they are level 75 cap gear. While you have only mentioned SMN & RDM as your jobs, I will say that you are not missing out a ton from not doing CoP for those 2 jobs if you play RDM as a mage only. But if you played another job, say THF, or DRK, I would say you are gimp, because you miss 2 of the most basic and yet amazing pieces of gear in the game.