So why do we have the worst Espells?

[Mageoholic]

As I said at the top of the page, this one is legitimately correct, if you want proof, ask any successful legion group which they take for stuns, a RDM, or a SCH.

No you are right, but I didn't want someone with a brain to answer, I wanted Vicious to answer because he/she seemed pretty adamant it was a MACC issue, not an issue with SCH just being able to cast the spell a shit ton more.

Ergo, Enspell II is always superior when single-wielding in any remotely realistic, intelligent scenario. When they give Dual-Wield to RDM natively, you can start bitching how terrible they are; until then, math insists that you just stop.

What math your terrible math that concluded 80 MACC isn't worth 38% Land rate?

The only reason to use EN2 over EN1 is to get Haste Samba, that is it, the rest of the time they are statistically even damage wise, unless on fodder exp mobs. Which means they are shit and need adjusting to be useful.

[Toadie-Odie]

Because casting status cures with /SCH requires Addendum: White, which requires 2 JAs and 2 seconds to activate. That 2 seconds can easily get you killed, and lord help you if you get paralyzed and lose any of those JAs to it.

You are such an adorable little tryhard <3

Cure 1-4 spells do not require Addendum: White. However, Light Arts will optimize those spells by reducing the casting cost and recast by a small amount. You are not required to have Light Arts up or have Addendum: White active to cast cure.

As for enfeebles, subbing /DNC will address most of them with Healing Waltz.

Either way, /WHM is not critical - it is just a player preference.

Edit: Ultimately though, how does this effect Enspells in general? I understand we live in "nano-time" while we play these games where every second counts but are we seriously willing to quibble over two seconds?

[Vicious]

Here you go:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cogtooth_Skagnogg

Requires you to Erase Bind more than once every 2 minutes, and the 30% casting time penalty to nukes from full-timing Addendum: White will get you killed in short order.

What else can I teach you guys today?

[Toadie-Odie]

Requires you to Erase Bind more than once every 2 minutes, and the 30% casting time penalty to nukes from full-timing Addendum: White will get you killed in short order.

This mob doesn't have knockback so unless you want to kite it why would you care about bind during melee? And if you kite it, you aren't engaged with it anyway...

Edit: Unless you meant the weight effect he puts on you?

Edit2: Even then he doesn't use melee attacks. All his attacks are magic based dmg or enfeebles. So evasion doesn't help you. The only real issue I see is silence and blind. You can't use magic to remove silence from yourself. Eye Drops aren't a bad thing either.

Edit3: corrected some spelling

[Vicious]

If you try to straight tank it, you die; you have to kite it to stand a chance, hence why you need Erase. Understand, it doesn't melee, it just spams TP moves back to back to back. Meleeing was never a stipulation in this whole RDM/WHM solo tangent, I'll remind you!

The only reason meleeing came into is when i stated that, if full-timing Addendum: White in a solo melee situation for the express purpose of access to status cures, I would rather just /WHM for Flash, which is entirely logical for this entirely hypothetical and illogical situation.

[Demon6324236]

What else can I teach you guys today?

How that NM is at all relevant and worth the time and effort to go out of the way to kill anyways.

Understand, it doesn't melee

I would rather just /WHM for Flash.

Because flash is relevant when kiting something that doesn't melee.

entirely hypothetical and illogical situation.

Oh look, its the basis of just about everything you have posted in this thread.

[Vicious]

-It is still somewhat relevant, whether you believe so or not! Regardless, 'relevance' was never a stipulation, so /shrug.

-As I've made abundantly clear, that NM is a real application, whereas the argument involving Flash was purely hypothetical response to a purely hypothetical situation. =/

-That's funny, as I wasn't the one who posited the situation in question! I suppose that's what I get for feeding trolls, though.

-If single-wielding with Enspell II while /WHM or /SCH as the sole support member of my party while lowmanning Salvage, etc is to be considered hypothetical and situational, I give up on the lot of you.

[Demon6324236]

-It is still somewhat relevant, actually!

-As I've made abundantly clear, that NM is a real application, whereas the argument involving Flash was purely hypothetical response to a purely hypothetical situation. =/

I disagree on both parts. I looked at the NM to be sure, see nothing of relevance, relating to it or the BCNM related to the item it drops. The only important item of any sort would be the Ring, which has very limited use. As for the other part, if this was completely hypothetical you would not be arguing WHM is a good sub. But ok, people were not specific enough, show a relevant mob in which /SCH would not beat /WHM.

[Vicious]

If you're going to start arguing relevance, then, I posit that all RDM solos at this stage in the game are equally irrelevant, as anything that drops anything of 'relevance' is extraordinarily inefficient to kill without the necessary procs and/or Treasure Hunter (a la Abyssea, Voidwatch, Dynamis, Salvage), downright impossible for RDM to solo in the first place (NNI, Legion), or was already feasible to solo at 75 when yonder Warmachine was, as you say, "relevant" (Limbus, Salvage, Sky, whatever).

Please try ever so harder!

[Demon6324236]

-If single-wielding with Enspell II while /WHM or /SCH as the sole support member of my party while lowmanning Salvage, etc is to be considered hypothetical and situational, I give up on the lot of you.

If you are /WHM or /SCH you are not on the front lines, you are a back line job at that time and you are not fighting with the other melee jobs. You give up on us, we don't care, you keep talking about a line of spells we know are worthless, and we keep trying to explain to you what the problem is, which you ignore...