Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[RaenRyong]

Your LS is a social LS, isn't it?

[Vivik]

Vivik, i have no problem with finding pts, i have a problem with leechers, there is no place for them into the game.
And it hurt noone of the player who want to do abyssea if you raise the Access to level 70. It only hurts the Leechers, and you can only hit the right one in that bag.

Obviously if SE made it so people level 30+ can be in Abyssea, there is a place for them in the game. Lets be clear and just say; there is no place for them in your game, because after all you are the minority.

[Zeitzone]

Your LS is a social LS, isn't it?

Why are you going out of th subject, since when does it matter if its a social ls, a level ls, a HNM ls,....

[Vivik]

Why are you going out of th subject, since when does it matter if its a social ls, a level ls, a HNM ls,....

Because most social LS are full of amateurs.

[RaenRyong]

Because a social LS typically (not meaning to stereotype, but generally) has a demographic of players whose ingame life tends to be little more than exping. To them, of course Abyssea leeching is going to seem like a "cop out" because it's the only thing they do in the game. Players tend to be very low tier with horrendous gear etc.

The game should not be changed for a small but vocal minority who happen to think exping is the only thing in it.

[Zeitzone]

Obviously if SE made it so people level 30+ can be in Abyssea, there is a place for them in the game. Lets be clear and just say; there is no place for them in your game, because after all you are the minority.

Yet again there is no prove that i am the minority, its just in this forum so becouse leechers lose evertything if they change it back. SE made a mistake, it is not the first time, eighter they did it becouse they want to kill FFXI themselves for the sake of FFXIV or they did it accidently and will remove it sooner or later. Since there is a new leading head to the team they did alot mistakes, alot of the new AF3 look cheap like someone from Silkroad had created them, the own fashion style of FFXI got lost, and same goes for gameplay, the old Gameplay got lost becouse they made a radical change.
Thats why they are trying everything to get ppl back into other areas, atm they have no luck, that why it will result in a access for Abyssea above level 70.

[Zeitzone]

Because a social LS typically (not meaning to stereotype, but generally) has a demographic of players whose ingame life tends to be little more than exping. To them, of course Abyssea leeching is going to seem like a "cop out" because it's the only thing they do in the game. Players tend to be very low tier with horrendous gear etc.

The game should not be changed for a small but vocal minority who happen to think exping is the only thing in it.

Well, you guessed wrong, it is an Abyssea LS.
Yes we do Abyssea, as i sayd we are not against Abyssea, just against leeching.

[Vivik]

Yet again there is no prove that i am the minority, its just in this forum so becouse leechers lose evertything if they change it back. SE made a mistake, it is not the first time, eighter they did it becouse they want to kill FFXI themselves for the sake of FFXIV or they did it accidently and will remove it sooner or later. Since there is a new leading head to the team they did alot mistakes, alot of the new AF3 look cheap like someone from Silkroad had created them, the own fashion style of FFXI got lost, and same goes for gameplay, the old Gameplay got lost becouse they made a radical change.

So now it's just a grand conspiracy by SE? I see lol...

[RaenRyong]

Subjective and arbitrary arguments again. Use a line of reasoning which isn't "it is wrong" and instead "I think it's wrong because ---". There are some valid problems with the Abyssea exp system and I'm not claiming it's perfect, but if you feel or SE feels they want to stop it, they should make the alternatives better than it - not force you into doing the alternatives instead.

As for the minority issue, so far the most vocal posters have been Naturebeckles, Krystal and yourself. There have been a few other people but nothing huge.

I'm going to restate my challenge:

if you have a serious problem with Abyssea leeching and exping this way, irrelevant of whether Abyssea-age FFXI or Abyssea-age FFXI is best in your mind (ie ignore everything but the exping front) and you consider yourself above average, participating in events which are not exping on a regular basis and are fairly accomplished - please post. As a generalisation, nobody I have seen who isn't gimp or who doesn't see exping as the main focus of the game find a problem with this.

Arrogance? Yes. I am waiting for someone to answer my challenge with evidence though.

EDIT:

Well, you guessed wrong, it is an Abyssea LS.

Abyssea LS and Social LS are not mutually exclusive in today's day and age. There are always a huge number of terrible players in Abyssea killing things which are not experience points mobs.

[Vivik]

it is an Abyssea LS.

Just another name for a social LS.