Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Vivik]

Link to your character. I am a proud Abyssea leech and yet I believe there is a good chance I am less gimp than you. If this is untrue, I will apologise.

The only people I've seen bitch about Abyssea leeching so far are those who do nothing in Abyssea but exp... or in the game for that matter.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't view myself as some undefeatable god of FFXI. Just if you want to cast a net calling countless people gimp, you had best have the strength to tie us up in it. There are many better players than me who Abyssea leech also - I am simply the first to make this challenge by coincidence, not because I view myself as top of the pile.

That's pretty much it, they wont, because they are gimps.

[Komori]

I really dont get it why those players are so obsessed by leeching.
We dont want remove Abyssea, we just want to raise the entrace level to 70-75.
There is nothing wrong at that idea.
You still got your Abyssea and still can get EXP in there, you still get your pimp armors.
Its just one point we try to stop, the leeching, and for all those who are against this idea, the only thing they show us that they are gimp player, becouse they so intensively try to prevent the stoping of cheap leeching.
ANYONE who argues against the raise of the entrance level just wants to keep cheap leeching up his Jobs. Nothing else stands behind them Idea to keep the low Level entrance.
And it doesnt matter if you played for years in ffxi the old fashion way, now you are a leecher, nothing more.

Or instead of sitting on your high horse and trying to change the way other people level their jobs. You could get people who share your own opinion and make parties in the older areas; because nothing is stopping you from doing so. While your trying to force; your way of thinking and opinions upon the rest of the community and that's just going to get people mad with you. Because abyssea exists and the cap is 30; is it somehow blocking you from zoning into old areas? Is the existance of the level minimum somehow from shouting in Port Jeuno to get five others who would like a cool-down and old-style party?

[Zeitzone]

Link to your character. I am a proud Abyssea leech and yet I believe there is a good chance I am less gimp than you. If this is untrue, I will apologise.

The only people I've seen bitch about Abyssea leeching so far are those who do nothing in Abyssea but exp... or in the game for that matter.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't view myself as some undefeatable god of FFXI. Just if you want to cast a net calling countless people gimp, you had best have the strength to tie us up in it. There are many better players than me who Abyssea leech also - I am simply the first to make this challenge by coincidence, not because I view myself as top of the pile.

And there you show us the gimp noob you are, dont you get it? Its not how much jobs or what kind of gear you have that shows if you are a noob. Every noob can have good gear in Abyssea leeching.
Showing your char here makes it look like a gimp noob who bargs with its char.
And you are changing the subject becouse you cant argue against the point that we just want to change the entrance level for Abyssea to 70+, becouse then you lose all your substanze and show us that you are only against it becouse you are a leech who doesnt want to play the old fashion way.
I have no reason to show my char here becouse i dislike such arrogant exibithion.
I got two accounts and can even PL myself but i mostly dislike that becouse i prefer to level in nice pts.

[Zeitzone]

Or instead of sitting on your high horse and trying to change the way other people level their jobs. You could get people who share your own opinion and make parties in the older areas; because nothing is stopping you from doing so. While your trying to force; your way of thinking and opinions upon the rest of the community and that's just going to get people mad with you. Because abyssea exists and the cap is 30; is it somehow blocking you from zoning into old areas? Is the existance of the level minimum somehow from shouting in Port Jeuno to get five others who would like a cool-down and old-style party?

And again a subject change, noone of you can argue against the leeching factor and that is the only way why you want it level 30, istead of that you try to insult me that i do not find ppl for partyes.
I already sayd that i find them, thats not my main problem, my problem is the leeching and it could be easy removed by raising the entrance level, yet again you lose nothing, you still can go in Abyssea, and do all the abyssea things, just not with level 30, a Level 1-69 has nothing to do in Abyssea becouse you can do nothing in there, try to kill a Mob.

[Zeitzone]

That's pretty much it, they wont, because they are gimps.

We dont do it becouse we are no poser, Leechers are posers.
And thats why you try to change the subject.
Becouse if we take everything away from your acc you got trough leeching there will not much be left.

[RaenRyong]

So "noob" or "gimp" = "doesn't agree with my philosophy"? Gotcha.

I didn't argue because we've already stated our points many, many times but:

No, we do not want to play the game the old way again. I levelled five jobs back the "old way" and it was generally tedious as hell. Taking months to be able to do something that isn't mindless exping? Popular job or gtfo mentality? "Need to exp, let's put aside my free time for today" again? Remember that sinking feeling when a potentially good setup is ruined by that gimp as hell full AF SAM who unfortunately just became your sixth member? Bard or gtfo?

You have a reason to show your character here because you are making unsubstantiated strong assertions. What happens when it turns out that a large majority of the "gimp" and "noob" crowd turn out to be better than you? What does that make you?

tl;dr: Abyssea exp isn't perfect but it has a lot less flaws than the previous exping system. Terrible players hurt old exp far more than leechers hurt present exp.

Defend yourself or withdraw your baseless claims, your choice.

[Komori]

Lol. I can still do old-school type parties. Whether or not it changes doesn't matter to me. I'll continue playing the game. And what do you lose by the cap being raised to 70? Some people don't even use their lower level jobs to leech in abyssea but to do quests because it won't matter if they die on the job or not because it's not a main. Most of the people that leech are people that have already gone through the game before abyssea. We're not the ones being all righteous and putting others down because they don't feel like going through months of leveling another job just to use it in endgame because they've already done it for 1-6 jobs already.

But that doesn't matter, right? As long as everyone does everything your way? What's your Credit Card number? So you can start paying my subscription and then I'll level the old way all you want.

[RaenRyong]

And again a subject change, noone of you can argue against the leeching factor and that is the only way why you want it level 30, istead of that you try to insult me that i do not find ppl for partyes.
I already sayd that i find them, thats not my main problem, my problem is the leeching and it could be easy removed by raising the entrance level, yet again you lose nothing, you still can go in Abyssea, and do all the abyssea things, just not with level 30, a Level 1-69 has nothing to do in Abyssea becouse you can do nothing in there, try to kill a Mob.

You care too much about exping!

Exping is just a means to an end, a process by which you can then play the meat of the content. If exping is a huge part of the game to you, you're just a level grinder. That's a perfectly valid way of playing, but for the sake of most of us who enjoy playing the game rather than grinding experience, do us a favour and stop trying to impose your views on us.

Thanks.

[Zeitzone]

And again, i will not show my char in an extern Forum becouse i do not pose.

Well we do not care if you dislike the old way of expeing, it was and will be the only correct way, leeching never was correct and never will be and thats our statement and thats why SE will sooner or later raise the cap, whatever you say will not stop them.
The only way they whouldnt want to raise it is becouse they whould want to kill FFXI to make FFXIV more popular.
I never had problems to get a party with any kind of job. So there must we have been the mistake by your way of play.
You are just overstate the problems of old and only correct way of leveling.
Leeching is not Leveling, its cheating and thats why SE need to prohibide it.

[Zeitzone]

Lol. I can still do old-school type parties. Whether or not it changes doesn't matter to me. I'll continue playing the game. And what do you lose by the cap being raised to 70? Some people don't even use their lower level jobs to leech in abyssea but to do quests because it won't matter if they die on the job or not because it's not a main. Most of the people that leech are people that have already gone through the game before abyssea. We're not the ones being all righteous and putting others down because they don't feel like going through months of leveling another job just to use it in endgame because they've already done it for 1-6 jobs already.

But that doesn't matter, right? As long as everyone does everything your way? What's your Credit Card number? So you can start paying my subscription and then I'll level the old way all you want.

Then do Old-shool type partys, if you still can do them. Dont be a leecher.
You say you arent? Well why does it then bother you that we want to raise the entrance level, if you do ot leech it doesnt affect you in any way.