Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Kazen]

Learn to read. You're enforcing your opinion on everyone else as fact while you retain that theirs is only an opinion. My post was response to a combination of the posts you've had on the past few pages. I understand this may be hard for you to comprehend but you are no martyr for everyone else. Also, you do not need to randomly capitalize words in your sentences as it is incorrect and unnecessary.

I'm done responding to this specific troll, I have better things to do than talk to someone who can't even grasp the most simple of concepts.

[Zeitzone]

Learn to read. You're enforcing your opinion on everyone else as fact while you retain that theirs is only an opinion. My post was response to a combination of the posts you've had on the past few pages. I understand this may be hard for you to comprehend but you are no martyr for everyone else. Also, you do not need to randomly capitalize words in your sentences as it is incorrect and unnecessary.

I'm done responding to this specific troll, I have better things to do than talk to someone who can't even grasp the most simple of concepts.

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.
Im done with this. Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

[Nacht]

Yeah, you really are simple minded.
You have not understood what the Thread creator wanted. And just talking BS to keep your way.

We understand exactly what the thread creator wanted and we disagree.

[Zeitzone]

We understand exactly what the thread creator wanted and we disagree.

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.
Different opinions will never work together and you cant make them belive your way. So best is if a thread is against your opinion you make 1 post in there for your statement against it and then leave, becouse whatever you say it will not change a thing. And this Thread is for raising the cap, there is a thread for decarasse the cap, thats the place where yo get more attention. Im not forbidding that anyone says its opinion, but you guys tring, in a Thread that says "lets raise the Cap", pressing ppl to your opinion.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.

Dissagreeing is discussion, if everyone agreed, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

[Zeitzone]

Dissagreeing is discussion, if everyone agreed, there wouldn't be anything to talk about.

i know that, but if points are set you cant move them, so where does a discussion brings you? Nowhere.
Its just a endless talking for nothing from both sides.
At the end it is Flaming and has nothing more to do with a discussion. Precisely you cant even discusse about this becouse noone of us can resolve the problem, discussing is necessary to be directed to the person who can change the terms of the subject.

[Nacht]

Well then acept that some ppl agree to him too, this is a discussion place, not a disagree Thread.
Different opinions will never work together and you cant make them belive your way. So best is if a thread is against your opinion you make 1 post in there for your statement against it and then leave, becouse whatever you say it will not change a thing.

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

[Zeitzone]

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.
Its just like i go on the street with 5 of my friends, search for a lonely person and start to bother him/her. All my friends will be on my side and he will be on his side alone, maybe he has luck and a passanger comes by and helps him.
Or he sees alot ppl are against him/her and stays quiet becouse he/she doesnt want to be draged into it.

Same happens here, mostly in such thread win ppl who have online friends at hand and are very agressive persons who think that only they have right and noone else. So thats us. Me, you, ans the others in here.
Most ppl think after a while "wtf why do i ever bother with those ...", and stop posting becouse they see that its meaningles to argue with ppl who do not accept any other sight.
So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

[Nacht]

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.

I believe some of us were attempting to correct erroneous statements. The following is a summary of certain excerpt of the previous pages.

There were statements including (paraphrased) "only new players like leeching," which was an incorrect assumption. In fact many players both new and old enjoy leeching.

There were statements involving (paraphrased) "once you finish leveling all your jobs to 90, there's nothing to do," when in fact there are plenty of things to do at level 90.

There were statements implying that activities prior to reaching level 75 were more fun than activities conducted after reaching level 75. This is in fact an opinion, and we were expressing our opinion of a contrary nature.

Now, I won't argue that we were all being civil about it, but that goes on a person to person basis.

So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

Lock thread then. None of us can change the situation

[Mrbeansman]

Enjoy your poor ways of playing, anyways it will only last 1 more year till you all leave becouse you got nothing left to do in this game.

Most people who play this game are casual players who can live off abyssea for years to come.